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Third Secretary Competition - 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Candido


    Yes, I had 3 shipping container questions. I couldn’t work out the first one and guessed it. However, for second and third I sat for a minute and then did a sketch to somewhat long-windedly calculate how many could fit in a container and was then able to use that to arrive at one of the answers they had listed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭lucat


    Mine was "what was the average number of business miles driven." No qualifier. Is it per car, per year, per category of cars? Who knows. I wasted time then had to guess it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 MarloStanfield


    not 100% sure I got those right but they took me a while too. I figured it the container length was 12.3m and the product length was 4m, the container length you were actually working with was 12m as you can fit 3 along. Same with height and width (0.5x0.5) against (2.3x2.3) only fits to 2m, or 4 products, on each. At least that is how I did it and I got one of the options as an answer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 lbuck12


    looking at the thread and seeing other people talk about doing questions that weren't on my numerical/verbal assessment and I know this is probably cope but surely its not fair if people are being getting asked different questions but being placed in the same OOM? adds further fuel to the AI shithousery that Sova provided



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Dski1998


    It's probably to do with the adaptive assessment technology that was used in the exam man. The better you perform, the greater the difficulty of the questions you will receive, and vice versa.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Dski1998


    Just for reference guys and girls - there were a little over 1,600 applicants for this years competition. I have no idea how many they will take to the next stage, but I would guess that at-least 50% will be eliminated in stage 1.

    So don't **** yourself by being invited for stage 2 and not being prepared. Start studying for the précis now and hope that you will be called, and if you are, you will be ready. That's what I'm doing anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Scondol


    How did you find this out ?

    And surely with that many apps, they’ll only take some 100 to the next stage, I doubt they want to mark 800 précis exams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Dski1998


    It doesn't matter, but I can tell you for certain that there were that many.

    I have no idea how many they will take to the next stage, I don't even know how many jobs there will be available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 boardsenthusiast


    Hi, just to keep people in the loop. I email PAS today to ask when we can expect to hear our results from the First Stage. Here is what I got back:

    "It is anticipated that results will be issued to candidates by the end of September"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Spicebag98


    Is stage 1 results based solely on the psychometric? If that's the case, I wonder why they can't just push a button and rank us as a result? I know the AO comp I did for my current role only took 2 weeks for psychometric results to come out :(



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Candido


    The candidate information booklet states -

    “publicjobs provide for the employment of a shortlisting process to select a group who, based on an examination of the application forms, appear to be the most suitable for the position. This is not to suggest that other candidates are necessarily unsuitable or incapable of undertaking the job, rather that there are some candidates, who based on their application, appear to be better qualified and/or have more relevant experience. During shortlisting, an expert board will examine the application forms against agreed shortlisting criteria which are based on the requirements of the position. …

    In the case of competitions that may involve large numbers of candidates, candidates may be ranked on the outcome of their online assessment tests and will be shortlisted in accordance with their ranking.”

    I interpret the above, as well as such a lengthy delay from completing the results to those invited to the next stage, to mean our qualifications and/or experience will essentially be weighted higher than our online tests - which makes sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 MarloStanfield


    Perhaps, although it isn't entirely clear there. The familiarisation booklet says:

    For candidates passing all three assessments, a total score will be formed by taking thecandidate’s score from the Verbal Reasoning Assessment and adding this to their scoreon the Assessment Questionnaire for Third Secretary – the combined score from bothof these tests will determine each candidates ranking on the Order of Merit (only forcandidates who pass). The Numerical Reasoning Assessment is only used as aqualifier – therefore, while candidates do need to meet a minimum mark on the NumericalReasoning Assessment, a candidates Numerical Reasoning score will not contribute to theirfinal total score or the subsequent ranking of candidates.

    This sounds like Stage 1 is exclusively drawn from Order of Merit rankings. This doesn't account for why it would take so long, although there are obviously many applications and perhaps some checking of candidates video footage takes place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Candido


    We will definitely be ranked based on the tests as what you have quoted points out, but when they talk about shortlisting they specifically say we will be “shortlisted in accordance with [our] ranking.”

    We are all just guessing but I personally think the tests and précis are there to weed out the bottom performers as opposed to a cap for the top performers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 tralala123


    Hello,

    Does anyone know of any good resource or have any practical suggestions of how we can practice for the précis? Are there specific types of articles that they ask you to summarize? Is there any specific format expected?

    With the results taking so long to come out, I see no other option than starting to prepare for it already.


    Thanks for any hints and good luck to everyone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 MeganeMan


    I went for this previously: there's a qualifying mark for the Stage 1 tests and they called the top 200 performers or so to précis. I'm assuming from précis they called the top half of that to interview. I'm 99% certain that only then will your application form receive so much as a glance from a human being.

    Third Sec is a job that is both relatively entry level and carries a significant level of prestige. It attracts thousands of applications. I have been on recruitment and interview boards before in private sector - nobody is going to read 1500 applications and be able to absorb and grade them fairly. There is simply not enough time to do so, nevermind the advent of mind numbing AI-generated nonsense that so many people are putting on their CVs and applications these days. You have to filter it down somehow.

    Tl;dr: your application form doesn't come into consideration until you pass the précis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 MarloStanfield


    Stage I results out - qualified in the 150s on OOM, and it says up to and including 340 on OOM are moving forward to Stage II. They also give a breakdown of the qualifying scores for each assessment which is handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Scondol


    I’m through as well!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 MeganeMan


    That's a much bigger intake than the previous time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Scondol


    Does anyone know if you rank on OOM is part of the deciding factor for getting a position later or is it just to qualify to stage 2?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 MarloStanfield


    My understanding that each stage is independent from the last, and only the final OOM will matter. Ultimately these stages are used to whittle down applicants to a group of people worth interviewing, at which point they will finally look at the applications themselves. (Not 100% sure though!)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Stranger Things


    came 900s….. missed out!!

    Not massively surprised though. Disappointed still.

    Good luck everyone who got through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 M.Diggums


    “My understanding that each stage is independent from the last, and only the final OOM will matter. Ultimately these stages are used to whittle down applicants to a group of people worth interviewing, at which point they will finally look at the applications themselves. (Not 100% sure though!)”

    Tbh that’s probably fair, the testing software didn’t strike me as the best designed particularly for the verbal reasoning, but maybe it’s the best currently available what do I know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 raindance67


    Totally new to this so excuse ignorance

    If you missed the cut off for stage two on OOM is that it?

    Bit confused with the 'pleased to inform you' followed by OOM cut off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 tralala123


    I think that’s it. I also felt confused about the “pleased to inform you” - poor choice of wording, if somebody has not passed it would be better to say “regret to inform”.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,637 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    Yeah, that's it if you didn't make the top 340 I would say.

    Last time round the 2nd/3rd batches came from those who got to Stage 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Scondol


    wdym 2nd and 3rd batches ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Anastasia_


    Does anyone know how many positions are usually filled over the lifetime of the panel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 zorro37


    Seconding this question please, if someone could provide a quick general overview of what the Precis exercise entails for those of us who have never been through a competition like this before that would be much appreciated.

    I gather it is summarising a text against the clock? Multiple texts? How is it scored and what have your past experiences been? And indeed any resources or practical suggestions to prepare for it 🙏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭lucat


    Sorry Dory, I can't seem to quote your post. do you mean they only called one batch to stage two last time? Never a batch 2 and 3 etc.?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭lucat


    I'm confused as to why the proctoring hasn't been done yet.



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