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  • #15992
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,945 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Luigi Mansion. Odyssey. Loads more but those were two of my favourites.



  • #15993
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632137#Comment_122632137

    The 30fps will prevent me even trying! Same with TOTK, which is why I was waiting for a Switch 2 and hopefully 60fps!

    Odyssey is the most likely one as its another exclusive and runs at 60fps. I get 30 is probably fine on the small screen, but I intend hooking it up to a tv. I can already feel the neck pain of constant playing on the small screen.



  • #15994
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Yeah I wouldn't be recommending the Zelda games as they will take way longer than three weeks to beat. Play some shorter games that you can't get on PlayStation.

    Mario Odyssey is pretty much essential. Mario 3D world is a great alternative, it starts of pretty easy but the post credit game (which is longer than the main game) is where it gets really good. You'll probably only have time for one.

    Metroid Prime remaster is a fantastic update of one of the all time greats.

    I've always loved Pikmin and you can't go wrong with either 3 or 4.

    Astral Chain gets kind of forgotten but it's a brilliantly stylish Platinum game.

    Mario Wonder is as good as 2D platforming gets.

    As for maybes Kirby and the forgotten land is a delight but Mario 3D world is better. Luigi's Mansion 2 and 3 are excellent but are a little too drawn out in their run time.



  • #15995
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122632802#Comment_122632802

    Most switch games from Nintendo even if they are 30 fps are a rock solid 30 fps which is honestly fine. There's a massive difference between rock solid 30 and an inconsistent 30.

    The exceptions would be Zelda and Xenoblade 2 and 3 but both are so good you get used to it and power through. Not going to deny that they would be better at locked 60.

    If 60 fps is a requirement then Metroid prime is a rock solid 60 fps.



  • #15996
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    30fps is fine for TOTK. The thing with lots of modern games is the fidelity level suffers I think with the lower refresh rate. I found FFXVI unplayable at 30fps, you just can't see what's going on. I have no issues at all with TOTK at that framerate.

    Honestly you're missing out big time not checking out TOTK, it's probably one of the most ambitious and rich AAA experiences of the past couple years even if it does re-use BOTW's landscape.



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  • #15997
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633159#Comment_122633159

    The inconsistent frame rate in total irks me. Might be misremembering but I feel BotW had a much more consistent framerate.

    The other thing that annoys me is the image quality on totk. They seem to have applied FSR to the image and it makes it really soft and blurry (I might be misremembering the first game if it had far or not as but I don't remember the image quality being as bad). I love the game but it would be a much better game with a stable framerate and better image quality.



  • #15998
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I'll get to them on Switch 2 probably. They should get a fps bump with the newer hardware. One would hope anyway. And maybe 30 is grand or acceptable on the small screen, and I've no idea what kind of TV I'll have for the 2 weeks, if I get one at all, but 30 just does not look good on a 55" OLED and that's the bottom line for me. So rather than drag up this conversation again, let's just assume I'm never going to play a 30fps game again.

    The mario games should keep me tied over, and definitely Metroid if I can get my hands on it. Should be enough, along with Crunchyroll, to pass the evenings.



  • #15999
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    TBH I thought TotK ran remarkably well considering what the game is doing. Only slowdown I noticed was in the building mode. The vast majority of gameplay ran remarkably well given the hardware and complex gameplay demands.

    Of course 60 FPS would be preferred and the image is inevitably a little soft. But for a Switch game it’s a technical marvel.



  • #16000
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,669 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Might do a replay of Lies of P. Nothing else is kind of grabbing me at the moment. I'd been kind of waiting for a DLC announcement and figured I'd replay it just before the DLC released, but screw it, I'll replay it now and should still have adequate muscle memory for the DLC whenever it comes out.



  • #16001
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    It, along with never getting a docked only version, are the reasons I mainly didn't buy one. Literal zero interest in using it as a mobile gaming device. I'd only ever use it docked, so I wanted a cheaper docked only version that didn't have the unnecessary and expensive screen. And while they gave an undocked only version, alas I wait for what will never come. Which I don't understand, because there are others like me. Maybe they caved and bought one...

    I'm sure I'll get to play them, but by that time anything new they did will probably be par for course and won't blow me away! I'm OK with that though, and who knows, maybe I won't like them to begin with. Tis nearly a shame to ruin a 40 year no-Zelda streak!



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  • #16002
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633262#Comment_122633262
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633292#Comment_122633292

    An console fan in the 60fps fanclub. The tables have turned. 15 years ago the console fans would be saying how 30 fps is more cinematic.

    As for not being blown away by Zelda, other developers still haven't managed to replicate what makes the open world so much better than anything else on the market. There's places where the games can be improved but it's open world and exploration haven't been made matched and we still get open world games with icon vomit.



  • #16003
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I didn't want glasses. Didn't think I needed them. But once I saw through them, there was no going back. Same with 60fps. Maybe in previous gens I didn't realise/cop that some games were 60, but with the fidelity of today's games and OLED tech, I find its far more obvious and jarring. OLEDs are built for definition! I don't know how people still manage with 30tbh, each to their own but I personally think its night and day difference. And if BOTW/TOTK are as good as ye say, then they definitely deserve that 60fps goodness.



  • #16004
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633415#Comment_122633415

    I can understand that. 30 feels fine until you experience 60 and there's no going back when you do. I've a friend now that has a good monitor and he can't stand less than 120 anymore and finds 60 hard to stomach!



  • #16005
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I mean I've a 4090 and can perceive 60 as being choppy compared with 120. I could hardly tolerate 60fps in a FPS with M&K. Doom Eternal would be dogshit like that, 120 minimum. But I really think it has to be looked at a case by case basis, games which are pushing less detail per pixel and on a controller rather than mouse can get away with 30 is my view. The fact is a lot of the games in previous gens which were 'fine' at 30 on an LCD where just that, they were 'fine'. The ones that weren't fine imo were ones with terrible screen tear and frame pacing issues, which was common on PS3 with UE3.

    OLEDs do cause problems but I see that as a more an OLED problem tbh. I've tried BOTW at 60 on an emulator as well and there are games that are transformed by stable FPS (Bayonetta 3) but I think Zelda is fine at 30. The only issue as johnny mentions is when the physics get complicated it sort of syncs down to a locked 20, or something like this. Like when you start building complicated things all joined together. This is a very small percent of the experience tho



  • #16006
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633861#Comment_122633861

    What's your issue with OLED? Asking as someone in the market for a new monitor.



  • #16007
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    As ever, my view is that wherever possible, 60 FPS + is the best possible way to experience a game. The difference between 30 and 60 is night and day. This gen has been a big step forward in making 60 FPS more of a standard.

    But if a major, significant or interesting game is only readily available at 30 FPS, I would never shoot myself in the foot just to miss out on it completely. Of course, I'd like the the absolute minimum to be a smooth, properly frame paced 30 - but some of my favourite games of all time perform worse than that, so greatness can still shine through. Still need a 60 FPS Bloodborne before I replay it, though :P



  • #16008
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,669 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I recently replayed Bloodborne which is probably the first 30fps game I've played in ages. It's jarring at first but you get used to it again pretty quickly. Stable frame rate is far more important.



  • #16009
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633944#Comment_122633944

    The Last Guardian and Bloodborne are my two favourite PS4 first party games. Both games run like ****, especially TLG. Would absolutely prefer smoother versions of both to be readily available, but again the games shone through.



  • #16010
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭quokula


    I see Sony are launching a special 30 year anniversary edition of the PS5 Pro "at participating retailers". Anyone have any idea if it will be possible to preorder this in Ireland?

    https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/19/celebrating-30-years-of-playstation-with-a-nostalgic-look/



  • #16011
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633964#Comment_122633964

    The frame pacing in bloodborne was enough to spoil the game for me when I played it first as I had come off the back of DS2 scholar of the first sin. It was unbearable. Had to take a break from it until I was used to 30 fps again.

    And to this day I find the last guardian's inconsistent frame rate and frame pacing makes the game awful to play. I just can't get into it and it's frustrating as it's a game I want to get into. I might play some old PS1 or N64 game first to adjust and try it again.



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  • #16012
    Luna84
    Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    I use a C2 OLED Tv as a monitor and also for gaming on Xbox. I have it over a year now and tbh I wasn't that impressed with OLED. My old 120Hz LG Tv was just as good imo as this OLED. Mind you though the OLED has Freesync Premium where as the old tv just had adaptive sync with HDMI 2.0. Freesync is way better.



  • #16013
    McFly85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,790 ✭✭✭McFly85


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634012#Comment_122634012

    Won’t be able to get these direct here unfortunately. Best hope is that Smyths/Amazon get some stock in.

    Wouldn’t be going for a console but I would be very tempted by the controller, it looks fantastic!



  • #16014
    SuperBowserWorld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633931#Comment_122633931

    LG OLED game mode really shows up 30 FPS games as choppy. You can see each frame. And watch them blend..yuck 🤮

    But BOTW/TOTK are buttery smooth in regular modes. I think it's cause they are 1080p. I know the TV does some kind of frame compensation.

    Seems to be a sweet spot. Or just pure luck. And there is no perceived lag for me either. This is on a C1.

    Other higher resolution stuff 30 FPS stuff I've tried on Series X and PS5 makes me feel sick after a short while.

    OLED HDR 60 FPS or 120 is incredible. Ori and the Will of the wisps runs 6K downscaled to 4K at 120 FPS on Series X.

    I've sold the Xbox now, but Ori for me was the killer XBox Series app. And RDR2 at native 4K 30 FPS but only on an LED monitor. Amazing.



  • #16015
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122633931#Comment_122633931

    I don't have the technical language to explain it, but essentially 'laggier' TVs are better at blending the frames together whereas you can see each frame on an OLED. Which won't be a problem at 60 or 120 but every frame does sort of 'hit' you at 30

    I don't see it as an issue for lower detail games like Zelda as much, but something like FFXVI is a constant flicker fest, I played some boss fights in that and couldn't see a thing. No exaggeration. It's why the image quality the performance modes on the FF games are such a big deal for people, cause it's so challenging to play them at 30

    On the other hand, when you have a system which can drive 4k 120 on OLED it's sort of nuts how good it looks. Speaking of FF again the Airbuster fight on remake on PC kinda looks unbelievable with its perfect pixels and black levels. But good motion clarity feels necessary for the OLED effect to really work



  • #16016
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122634350#Comment_122634350

    This is my experience with 30fps on a 120fps capable OLED too. It really is way worse than 30 fps on other TVs in the house.



  • #16017
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Getting settled into two very different games this weekend.

    Playing Silent Hill 2, which I have played before but don't think I ever finished. Man, this game looks incredible even today (playing on PS2 emulation). It's just so weird, oppressive and distinctive - absolutely drenched in fog and film grain. Really don't like how slick, modern and 'clean' (in terms of resolution if not in world design) the remake looks in comparison. Obvs the OG comes with its vintage quirks and jank, but what a vision it is.

    Also finally getting around to Lies of P. Good game so far, but not too fond of the 'perfect guard' timing so far. Just feels a tad loose, combined with the somewhat unnatural movements of the enemies you encounter. Sekiro really has spoiled parrying for me for other games in this genre. But lots of other stuff to like.



  • #16018
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,669 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640886#Comment_122640886

    I restarted Lies of P myself but yeah, I'd forgotten that as great as it is, a big part of the difficulty is somewhat artificial due to incredibly weird hesitations in attacks throwing off dodges and deflects.

    Actually ended up installing Dark Souls 3 again and decided to replay it instead.



  • #16019
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,109 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640950#Comment_122640950

    Yeah I’m only just finished the second boss, but even when they have their telegraphed ‘you need to perfectly block this’ attacks, it’s hard to know when to block it because it’s usually either frames or even a second or two off what you expect.
    Not that From is immune to adding odd attack timing to bosses occasionally, but the jittery movement that is built into the designs here makes it a lot more pronounced. Could do with a Jedi Survivor style option to increase the parry window honestly.



  • #16020
    SuperBowserWorld
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I don't get how God of War 2018 is a "10/10"/masterpiece game.

    It's very repetitive, the dwarf shop keepers appearing after every "stage" gets annoying very quickly, you can spam the combat, the puzzles are the same, the monsters are repetitive, the hokey dialogue, the kid sounds like he's from a 2020s US suburb, the endless junk you pick up and all the stupid fiddling you need to do to upgrade your characters, and it goes on and on ...

    ... Luckily I paid 10 euro for it, and won't be getting Ragnarok. So that's time and money saved. I will finish it thought because I'm half way through, Kratos is a bad ass and has some good lines, and it looks beautiful at times and it's very polished. But it's a 7/10 game for me.



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  • #16021
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Looks like Frostpunk 2 is even better than the first. Delighted, really enjoyed the first so will be giving it a go. It's on game pass as a day one.

    https://youtu.be/rMoX6YQ6Io4?si=LNI9pI5yTnxR4us_


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