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  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Most systems will divert all excess production after load to the battery until 100%, after that it goes to the grid. You can prioritise battery over load, or load over battery if you wish, but priority load makes more sense.

    My inverter doesn't allow setting a percentage to charge to from excess pv, it only allows it if charging from the grid. Seems like I should be able to control it and would be a simple software adjustment to allow it.🤷



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Thanks of that very interesting indeed, I am following up on this as I now have a months worth of decent data (7kw system - 4kw(E) / 3kw(W)). My generation between 13th of August to the 12th of September was 333kwh overall. The best day I have seen was in the order of 18.5 kwh at the end of august.

    August daily.jpg September daily.jpg

    I am starting to wonder if there is something up with the 3kw west array, while I would expect production to be a bit less from this side, from mid afternoon it seems to tail off very rapidly from 3.30 - 4pm onwards.

    These are what two of best consecutive days 30/31 august looked like.

    30_august.jpg 31_august.jpg

    Not sure if I am doing this bit correctly but a rough calculation on PV-GIS says I should be expecting something in like 251 + 194 = 445kwh for both combined in September. What really made me suspicious is that for the first 15 days of September I am tracking at almost bang on 50% for the 4kw east array.

    Expected September 4kw east.

    exp_4kw_east.jpg

    Expected September 3kw east

    exp_3kw_west.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Do you have a per-string graph or is there only the option of a combined "PV output"? I ask as that curve isn't what I'd expect for a combined E and W string, the peak of the curve is appearing before noon and you're not getting the effect of the W string.

    Your graph:

    image.png

    The rough shape that you should be seeing (the white line):

    image.png

    You could pull out the cable from the E string one night and see what W does the next day - that's what I'd do.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Thanks for that, I have the Fusion solar and MyEnergi apps but I cannot see any means of getting a per string graph, I have just emailed the installer to see if that can be setup of (The inverter is a Huawei SUN2000-5KTL-L1).

    Las point seems like a good idea, would it just a matter of pulling out the correct string from from the inverter or do I need to do this from where it enters in the attic?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Actually I have just had a look in the attic and there are three red wires and one black one coming down to the inverter. On the inverter end one of these three wires has been taped black (Presumably did not have enough black cable). Per chance what would happen if they got this mixed up on the inverter side?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I'd think that the inverter has reverse voltage protection - so the string will be isolated/dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Pull from the inverter. The inverter should be isolated from DC when doing this.

    Section 5.15 and 5-16 of this link:

    https://support.huawei.com/enterprise/en/doc/EDOC1100136173/6780ab51/connecting-dc-input-power-cables?idPath=258788303%7C254827209%7C258792409%7C22027611 You don't normally need the tool to do this as the fingers are exposed on the MC4 connector.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    And so it is it seems, I managed to find an amperage graph in the app eventually, for some reason this split is not available on the yield graphs.

    Anyway it appears to confirm that the PV2 string is dead and has always been so since installation. I am sure it is no coincidence that this is the input with the taped up wire. I could probably give the self fix a go but I think I will make the installer come out and fix it and double check everything else that was done on the day as well TBH.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Eleusis


    I would double check the evening first. On your screenshot it says 10.35( does this mean at 10.35 pv2 was 0 amps) if yes , then this is might be normal because pv2 would have a minimum start up voltage that hasn't been reached by 10.35. this would be normal.

    Try looking at the same screen again but instead hover curser over a point later on the afternoon and see what it says.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Thanks I will check the live data this afternoon to be sure as well but the blue pv2 line seems to be zeroed all day every day that I checked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I'd get the installers back at this point - swapping the polarity around makes sense, but not when it's not your issue. You could test it with a digital multimeter, except you'd need a CAT II type (1000v) with good quality leads as the DC voltage can be in and around 550v.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Do solis inverters make much noise? spark told me huawei is quite loud and buzzy especially in production so my plant room near bedrooms may not be ideal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭ACAandCTA


    Have had a couple of companies out to do surveys and give me proposals (neither on the Boards list of suppliers, albeit both seem reputable... ).

    We have large leylandi trees beside us (probably 30ft) but owned by our neighbours. In summer they would cast shading on about 1/4 of the proposed panels at evening time.

    One company said we should include optimisers on those affected panels, as 'the panels will only work as well as the least efficient panel'. I challenged him on it, as it is surprising to me that they are not completely independent when they contributing to usage /grid /battery - was he correct?

    *I've reported the trees to esb as there is a pole and cable within the trees and I'd like to trim them down.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    This video explains it better than I can

    But yes diffuse shadows can pull a whole string down to the output of the lowest panel

    Hard shadows the bypass diodes in the panel activate and that just bypasses that panel, but it doesn't bring down the whole string.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    All sorted in the end, despite my suspicion the inverter was all wired correctly, it was a simply a loose connection on the roof for one of the panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 38gitS


    Hi guys, question.

    Can I use the a timed discharge function from my inverter to trigger my eddi to heat my water tank?

    I've briefly looked into automation and I won't be looking again, waaay too involved.

    The plan would be to fill the battery using cheaper night rate electricty, program the battery to discharge to grid, use the eddi to divert this current to the water tank and then refill the battery once the tank is up to temperature (timelines yet to be determined)

    This all makes sense in my mind!

    Can it work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭idc


    The eddi has an inbuilt timer, so if the only way of heating your water is an electric immersion, set timer on eddi to heat water during cheap night rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 38gitS


    Thank you. Didn't realise there was a built in timer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,234 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Ive a question on battery charge / discharge settings. At the moment it is set in the inverter to charge to 100% and set to only discharge down to 20%.

    So I assume that since it is a 5kw battery, it's technically 4kw, as 20% is not used?

    I've read different theories online. Some saying it should have built in buffer in the battery software so just tell the inverter to charge and discharge fully (0-100%).

    Then on the other extreme I've seen some of staying in a 20-80% range, making it a 3kw battery. Which seems like out dated thinking (that was around in the early ev days)

    At the moment it charges from solar in the day, gets used up in the evening until 2am at which point I top it up on cheap rate and use that until the sun comes back. So more or less two cycles a day.

    Should I leave it alone or say to hell with it and use the extra 2kw a day as it will pay for itself over the lifetime.

    It's a Dyness DL5.0C (think LFP) it looks to be this one.

    https://solarboss.ie/products/dyness-dl5-0c-5-12kwh-lithium-battery?srsltid=AfmBOopnjbqVYMNljMq1yvDlMj5CmZmcZvu0NGsaxUR56uDXtQYT5Fzj

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    You'll get many opinions but I would say get as much use out of it as possible. No point trying to mind it for some arbitrary reason. You paid for it so use it! I have a weco which can run down to 0% but the solis Inverter won't allow that so I have it set to lowest it will go which is 5%. I top it up on the cheap rate every night.

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,669 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    I'd back that what tommythecat said. You want to get as much out of the battery as you can. You paid for it, so use it to the max. Course, you don't want to be stupid either and derogate the battery needlessly.

    The 80% rule on the charging side (as in fill to 80% when charging) is more applicable to standard lithium cells. Your phone , your iPad etc, the Lithium Iron Phosphate cells that we have in our home battery packs, is a different chemistry and that 80% rule isn't applicable. So fire it up to 100%.

    On the discharge side, the voltage curve very gradually drops off until you get down to about 5-6%, then it drops off fairly significantly. It's perfectly safe to discharge down to 10% with little impact on battery life. I discharge my own one down to 5% an I've been doing that 3 years now and I've not noticed much impact - albeit Givenergy batterys have an internal "buffer" as you say, so it's not obvious as to if it's internally made much difference as it's hidden from me. Not all batteries have that.

    I'd definitely recommend not regularly going under 5% though. Sure once in a blue moon is (probably) ok, but you don't want to be doing that all the time. Safe is 8-10% on the discharge though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭paddy236


    The depth of discharge will depend on the BMS settings. Some are set to allow you to discharge to 0% as the protection is already configured in the BMS.

    For your battery the depth of discharge is 90%.

    Screenshot_2024-09-21-13-08-12-84_f541918c7893c52dbd1ee5d319333948.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,234 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Perfect, so if the depth of discharge is 90% does that means I can set the Solis inverter setting to 0% and the battery will look after itself and keep 10%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    I'll bet the solis won't let you set it lower than 5%

    4kwp South East facing PV System. 5.3kwh Weco battery. South Dublin City.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    It might be worth reading the warranty terms too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,234 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Set the Solis to 10% and the grid charge to 8% and it seems to have saved. Will have a look at how low it gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi, have you ever upgraded the FW on your Weco battery, only our two 5Kw Wecos are looking for FW upgrade and I am not sure who/if should do it? Thanks

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    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Is it reasonable to assume fit payments will be halted in coming years? In Holland and Oz in coming years, homes will be charged for excess electricity sent back to grid I'm reading.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,048 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    No, it's literally just started.

    But dynamic pricing could be coming in at some point, but it would be opt in.

    Places that are pulling back usually went with net metering or very good FIT tariffs.

    I can see the FIT coming down as electricity prices reduce though



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