PS5 thread 2.0

MarkY91 · 10-09-2024 07:26PM

Im usually one for upgrading my Samsung every year and getting the PS Pro and stuff but €800 for a games console? **** me😂😂.. I'm yet to even find a video of the upgrades in action.

super_furry · 10-09-2024 07:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122602252#Comment_122602252

It's telling that they were showing off games from the PS4-era like Control and The Last of Us, as reasons to buy the PS5 Pro. This console generation has never got going.

sniper_samurai · 10-09-2024 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122602288#Comment_122602288

From the way they were selling it it seems to boost the graphics mode of games up to 60fps at a higher native rendering resolution and then better reconstruction with PSSR.

lee_baby_simms · 10-09-2024 07:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122602316#Comment_122602316

Yes I noticed that. Depressing to think that there will be a GTA5 Pro update. In 2025.

CastorTroy · 10-09-2024 07:43PM

Haven't watched the video yet, but I like how people say it'll improve PSVR2. Going by how Sony have treated it so far, it wouldn't surprise me if the Pro didn't support it.

techdiver · 10-09-2024 08:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601658#Comment_122601658

I was on the fence. But definitely not buying at that price. I know I'll spend at least twice as much on a PC but I'll also get twice* the performance and I can use the PC for a multitude of other things.

The console argument was always that it was cheaper and easier to use. Obviously the second point still stands but at €800 (plus extra for disk version), you could close to build a decent PC.

*non scientific assumption but not far from the truth.

jj880 · 10-09-2024 10:39PM

Curious on the AI Upscaling:

The PS5 Pro also includes Sony’s new AI-powered PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) feature, which is essentially an upscaling technique similar to Nvidia’s DLSS or AMD’s FSR to improve frame rates and image quality for PlayStation games. This custom PSSR upscaling is designed to replace a game’s existing temporal anti-aliasing or upsampling implementation.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/10/24167932/ps5-pro-sony-specs-announcement

Sounds like this could be released on current PS5 also.

Nearly a grand to keep the Pro upright and play your disk catalogue. Jaysus.

RoyalCelt · 11-09-2024 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601740#Comment_122601740

GT7 PSVR2's only downside is the resolution takes a hit. It will obviously get a boost which will make a huge difference but if it can get RT support also that would be an insane experience. Good to see polyphony dabbling in 8k but I can't see that being relevant until the PS6 pro.

For those of us getting this Day 1 can anyone see it being a problem to pre order given the higher then expected price.

jones · 11-09-2024 02:20PM

Very strange announcement from Sony. I really don't get who this is targeted at. The decision to not include a disk drive on a 800 euro machine is beyond crazy.

I'm usually the target market for these types of purchases I've bought every PlayStation on release day including the PS4 pro model and have been hyped to do it but I won't be buying this for that price. The no disk drive basically killed it for me along with the bonkers price.

This release on the back of the portal and the vr2 headset shows me that Sony need a strong Microsoft/Nintendo to get their heads back in the game.

Ps the new trend of every company leveraging AI to make sales is getting old real fast.

thereiver · 11-09-2024 02:38PM

Not many people use console vr headsets, the price is too high for the small improvement in graphics .i,d be happy to play every game in 1080p 60frames per second, i think devs are too obsessed with constantly improving graphics ray tracing which increases the cost of making games .Concord looks great but has bland or weird looking characters when theres already plenty of good hero shooters already on the market .

Potential-Monke · 11-09-2024 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122604336#Comment_122604336

I'd say we should be OK this year. Reaction makes me think there'll be a hape of them available, but one never knows, but its not like we can preorder anywhere these days.

jj880 · 11-09-2024 04:00PM

Seems there will be a PSVR2 boost (not on release but in future) due to the AI upscaling according to PS lead system architect Mark Cerny.

An AI-assisted upscaling mode, called PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, works across the whole game library but requires games to update via a patch, adding in details to upscale to 4K. It'll also work on PSVR 2 games in the future, Cerny said.

eventually a tuning of Sony's AI upscaling that will work with all VR games.

Source: https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/exclusive-hands-on-i-played-sonys-all-new-ps5-pro/

RoyalCelt · 11-09-2024 05:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122605427#Comment_122605427

It depends how many are made. If they only produce a million for the holidays it could be a ball ache.

jonerkinsella · 11-09-2024 06:38PM

Were all fools and Sony know it.

Sony will come out the coming weeks and say something like "we've listened" and drop it by €100 and potential custumers will think it sounds more reasonable and buy it.

The old start high and drop to what you really want.

EoinMcLovin · 12-09-2024 10:35AM

PS5 system update adds Welcome hub, Party Share, personalized 3D audio profiles, adaptive controller charging, and more

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/12/ps5-system-update-adds-welcome-hub-party-share-personalized-3d-audio-profiles-adaptive-controller-charging-and-more/

Exclamation Marc · 12-09-2024 10:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122607925#Comment_122607925

Welcome Hub is a nice addition with customised backgrounds It's no themes but its something that could be a nice add. Never understood why the Explore tab wasn't available outside of the US.

thereiver · 15-09-2024 10:26PM

This is no use to me i do,nt have a 4k tv.I looked at videos on youtube i cannot see the difference in graphics between ps5 and ps5 pro. I think a minority of ps5 users will buy it .I think theres no point in most ps5 users to buy it for a slight graphics upgrade .You could buy a pc for 900 euro and have acess to a wide range of games

and plug it into a tv or monitor and set the resolution at whatever setting you like to get 60 frames per second.

Maybe they could have waited until they had a new ps5 game to show that would display the enhanced range of ps5pro graphics

Tsdckcaj · 15-09-2024 11:14PM

Astro Bot DualSense available on Amazon in case anyone is looking

jones · 16-09-2024 08:04AM

I'm surprised there hasn't been any ps5 pro preorder pages appear yet from the likes of Smyth's and Amazon etc.

Penn · 16-09-2024 08:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620223#Comment_122620223

Preorders aren't available until 26th Sept. Probably no point putting up a Pro prepreorder page before that.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2024 08:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122619650#Comment_122619650

People are already coming out saying that for the same money you will not build a pc to give the same output. I have a €1k pc and it struggles to maintain 60fps for the graphical equivalent of my PS5. Or, with my level of understanding I can't get it to. But I do have a 55" OLED, and 1080p don't look great on it. Strictly from a gaming standpoint, the Pro is better than a PC for the same money. They're saying the GPU equivalent is the 4070, which is near €600 by itself. You're not gonna build a PS5 Pro equivalent, let alone killer, for the same money. And no, I don't care that the pc can do other things.

But if you don't have a 4k display then yes, it's probably not worth it right now. It will be for me.

TitianGerm · 16-09-2024 09:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620244#Comment_122620244

What specs do you have in your PC? We might be able help see what the issue is you are having.

Your PS5 isn't outputting native 4K to your OLED either, it'll be running at a lower resolution and upscaling, something you can do on the PC as well.

There's not going to be a massive difference in price between a PC and a PS5 Pro to build if you include the cost of an online subscription for the PS and disk drive. You'll also get games far cheaper on the PC so may be cheaper over the life of the console/PC. I do think you'd end up with a 1TB on PC starting off though compared to 2TB in PS5 Pro.

Grumpypants · 16-09-2024 09:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122619650#Comment_122619650

A big issue there is you are watching on YouTube and it crushes the video quality. There is a significant difference when looking at the full quality versions.

€800 is a lot. The usual selling point for a "pro " console is you were getting a more powerful console for roughly the same money due to the advancements in technology/ cheaper parts etc.

I'll still get it though. Sony knows it's market for these things.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2024 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620389#Comment_122620389

3060 12gb

32gb corsair vengeance ddr4 3600

Ryzrn 7 5800x 3.8

B350M DS3H

1tb nvme

Most games seem to recommend high/Ultra, yet when I play on that I'm getting unstable 30fps and terrible screen tearing. I change the resolution down to upscaled 2k, mess about with AA settings I don't fully understand, drop some settings, spend far too long (which may even be only a few minutes) trying to get it somewhat stable...

Example right now is trying to get Satisfactory to be stable. Managed to get it to be stable 55-60fps, but still not as smooth as console... I'm not thick, I did networking and cisco router stuff in my last job, I'm tech able, I just don't have the interest one needs to fully understand how each of the 40+ settings affect everything. I know I'm gpu limited as I only get about 25% cpu usage while gaming, and pushing the gpu towards 100.

I get that gaming is cheaper to buy on pc, but im still reluctant to buy anything digital over ~€25, Satisfactory+boredom being the modt recent exception (€32 still not bad for an open ended crafting automation game). But there's no option to buy full price andget half that back when trading. Most games I've played on PC since building it have been part of PC Gamepass. I've only bought Satisfactory and Black Mesa.

I'm not pushed to buy much more because getting performance and to PS5 level with the same level of effort... that's the reason I didn't bother keeping the last PC updated. The effort/reward compared to the PS5 is not worth it. There's something great about just selecting between performance or fidelity and go. Always performance selected, as a 55" OLED needs it, and the Pro will give me the best of both. For the same money I could buy a 4070ti but I'd still have to mess about with most games to get them running smooth. That's the clincher. Plug n play will always win with me. And the PS5 does it at a level I'm happy with compared to messing about with a pc that costs more.

Must check if I can get PS games running on it, and do a side by side with the PS5.

jj880 · 16-09-2024 10:44AM

Damn thats a shame. I was gona use my 55 OLED as a PC gaming monitor at some point and was hoping it was a plug and play job. You got all the picture smoothing crap etc. turned off? default settings + gaming mode?

Yeah the PS5 was so easy to plug and play. It was unreal the first time I played Thumper 120hz.

TitianGerm · 16-09-2024 10:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620619#Comment_122620619

How come you ended up with so much Ram?

Do you have Nvidia Experience installed? That will give you a decent preset option for installed games which will let you identify things you can change quickly. I'd suggest going with a High setting and dropping volumetric fog and a few other items down.

Hardware Unboxed do a few videos with recommended settings which are worth a watch. Just search in YouTube your game and Hardware Unboxed Optimal Settings. Once you've done this a few times you'll quickly understand what are the best settings to change that don't affect visuals much but do improve FPS hugely.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2024 11:35AM

I do appreciate all that, and I may some day have a look at them, but that adds to my console > pc specifically for gaming. Plug n play, no extra knowledge or understanding required. In fairness, Satisfactory has explained most of the settings and if they affect cpu or gpu, which made it a bit easier but some still have no descriptions and turning them on/off, I'm usually unable to tell if it's better or worse.

Right now with limited game time again (stupid adulting) I prefer to spend it gaming instead of trying to get the game running smoothly. And this is all early game, in an automation game which will only get bigger and more intensive, so if I'm having issues with a new map, what will it be like in 40 hours with multiple factories?!

If I ever win the lotto, I'm gonna come back on here and ask for people to build me a pc that's plug and play. Even with an unlimited budget, I bet its not possible.

TitianGerm · 16-09-2024 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122620927#Comment_122620927

You have a really solid PC there so there's no need to be ripping it up and starting again. Maybe down the line you could swap your 3060 for something stronger and you'll get plenty more years of use out of it.

Edit: I also meant to suggest you try Steam Big Picture of your using the PC on the TV.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2024 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122621047#Comment_122621047

Does big picture do something different? I have the kb/m and a lap desk so grand for most non-urgent type games. I'm gonna assume it's mainly because I've it hooked to a 55" LG C2, so it naturally wants to work in 4k, which the 3060 is just not up to the task for modernish games. Upscaled 2k seems to be what I'm aiming for. But then I've a choice of 4+ aa ir upscaling options...

I did build it as apc to learn UE5 on, thus all the rams, but I'm not patient enough to teach myself stuff so it's turned into a gaming pc. For the same price as rhe Pro, I could get a 4070ti with the Pro money, but would I then have to upgrade my cooling? If I get the Pro, I already have a large library of games for it, and only a large library of 10+ year old games for pc. Then I've to spend money on buying games, messing about with keys to make the savings people harp on about, and I can't trade them in when done...

I'm a console gamer. I don't think that'll change. I barely use the pc otherwise so what else it can do doesn't interest me. Again, bang for buck in my situation, console wins.

johnny_ultimate · 16-09-2024 01:18PM

I think it’s important to be honest about the benefits and drawbacks of all platforms.

If you just want plug and play above all, then yeah console is the way to go. Consoles have much better support for the likes of HDR, and yes often upscale very nicely to TVs.

But one of the benefits has always been the cost relative to performance (I think PS5 remains a pretty good value for a next gen entry point), and the PS5 Pro is getting perilously close to PC prices without many of the benefits. Pay a little bit more and you’ll almost certainly get a PC that’ll outperform it in many ways, and almost certainly outlast it too. And PC gives you a lot of other benefits, outside of its multi purpose utility. The PS5 is all but useless for games released pre-PS4, for example, whereas the PC has robust legacy support (official and unofficial). Some games are transformative with mouse and keyboard, others with full path tracing or advance graphics.

Yes, PC is usually not plug and play in the way a console is, but it is not hard to get the vast majority of recent games running well with minimal tinkering (though some tinkering means you can get much better performance on many games). Not every game will run perfectly, but the same limitations are there as console - some games will be heavy or CPU limited, especially simulation heavy ones. The library size and breadth is on a different scale to any modern console.

So yes, it depends what you want really. But when a PS5 Pro with a disc drive will cost the best part of a grand, IMO you’d really specifically want exactly what it has to offer. IMO for a lot of people a PC will offer a significantly better value proposition at that price tier, but if all you want is a better PS5 and not worried about the price, well then that’s what you’re going to get with the Pro.

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