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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Not a secret about seasonal produce, you not knowing is not my issue

    Ignorance is bliss

    https://slowfoodireland.com/prior-months/

    Claiming someone post has so much incorrect information and then you post a load of incorrect information.

    No vegan and vegetarian are not. It depends on what they eat in that diet.

    I asked the person in terms of Tillage what they meant because the discussion was around pessticides. You don't spray a ploughed field and hence why I asked them to clarify.

    Grass is sprayed, otherwise the field would be full of weeds. Look at any not sprayed field and you will see the difference.

    The quantity, which you seem to have no knowledge, will depend on the soil and the area in the country etc.

    The original point was the vegan and vegatarains foods are heavily pesticide based, which yes some of them are, but ignoring that also beef is full of pesticides and additives(perservatives) is just ignorance.

    A topper doesn't get rid of weeds, it is used to increase the production of grass

    Another rambling attack on a poster

    For someone who has clearly never worked in any job to do with the conversations on this thread, I find it strange you constantly tell everyone else they are wrong with no idea who or what they do.

    Post edited by Clo-Clo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    And where did I post incorrect information ? Would it be beside where you have referenced ? Oh that's right you didn't you rambled in a bs-ing manner

    Plant based diets have the highest use and exposure to pesticides

    "We previously showed that potential exposure to pesticides residues may be drastically increased for people with highly plant-based diet"

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-46032-z

    Ploughed fields are sprayed, the stubble is routinely sprayed to limit seedling dicots and prevent volunteers from the previous crop before the plough ever enters the field

    This is a pre-emergence spray applied post ploughing

    https://cropscience.bayer.co.uk/our-products/herbicides/ emerger

    Also, so it's sprays now relative to grass and not pesticides, careful there you'll give yourself whiplash backtracking like that

    I reiterate, grass systems are not sprayed with pesticide and neither are animals, cite a reference that states otherwise

    Nobody uses a topper to increase grass production, nobody, it us used to knock down weeds to stimulate them to regrow and then be all I the correct stage for subsequent herbicide application

    You're full of bs and I say that vehemently with the additional stance in that I have been specifically out all this week with the chemical scythe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I was born and grew up on a farm. Mixed cattle and sheep with around 100 hens. We grew all our own potatoes and vegetables and sold around 10 tons of potatoes annually and cut and saved all own hay and turf as well as harvesting corn (oats), I was hand milking cows from around 6 years of age, cutting turf from around 12 and helping to pull calves and deliver lambs from as far back as i can remember. My brother still farms the same land to this day, and I still give him a hand when needed.

    You on the other hand, as another poster said, haven`t a scooby and never worked a day of your life on a farm. You do not know your *icides from a hole in the ground, you think tillage is harvesting hay and silage and that fresh meat availability in Ireland is seasonal.

    Just give it up. You have already gone above and beyond showing how clueless you are when it comes to agriculture without adding to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    There's only one person here who doesn't know about farming. I'll give you a clue, it isn't me.

    You responded to my post with rantings and rubbish about seasonal produce not being a secret. I literally stated that meat isn't seasonal (apart from wild game) and yet you persist on posting a bizarre retort?

    Several posters have explained that you know nothing about farming, some of whom are actually farmers, some are from farming families, but you seem to think doing silage is tillage and you made up some rubbish that meat is a seasonal product, then have the audacity to claim that me allegedly not knowing something is not your issue?

    I honestly cannot understand what you are talking about, none of my post is incorrect, unlike your. Irish farm produce is amongst the best in the world. Our mild climates make meat production a viable year round option with minimal need to intervene with chemicals or require significant air miles to import. Anyone who really cared about global warming would be begging for more indigenous foods and less imports.

    As for your quote about toppers, they have many uses. Cows are fussy and won't eat through weeds. Toppers help control them. However, cows also don't eat grass that is too long or is covered in dung. Toppers are mainly used to equalise sward heights, cutting anything not eaten on the present graze and ensures a consistent grass growth for the next rotation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,233 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just shows that a well demonstrated ability to search the www for links on a wide range of diverse topics does not necessaeily an expert in reality make😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    So you didn't know about seasonal produce but now you know about it and it's my fault.

    Will leave the two of you at it, great representation of the posting on this thread. Ignorance is bliss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    That's the most sensible thing you have said. Ignorance is indeed bliss. I guess that's why the ignore option was added. Not a single fact in any of your last 20 posts, all sorts of wild claims about folk who actually know about farming methods and then the audacity to claim that you have somehow schooled actual farmers on seasonal products. It's impossible to reason with someone who reads the opposite of what was posted and assumes themselves to be correct.

    Now where's that ignore button so I can lighten the workload on the data centre and do my bit for the environment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If ignorance is bliss then you must be ecstatic.

    Before you I would not have believed anybody in this country knew absolutely nothing about anything related to agriculture and even after being shown they knew nothing still believes the availibility of fresh meat here is seasonal.

    You would have been better served leaving it a long way back that continuing to show you know absolutely nothing on the subject.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Moving on from the agriculture lectures, Mario Draghi has released his report on the EU. He identifies 3 areas the EU needs to get a grip with, one being the environment and going green

     If Europe’s ambitious climate targets are matched by a coherent plan to achieve them, decarbonisation will be an opportunity. But if it fails to co-ordinate its policies, there is a risk that decarbonisation could run contrary to competitiveness and growth.EU companies face electricity prices that are two to three times those in America. Natural-gas prices are four to five times higher. Over time, decarbonisation will help shift power generation towards secure, low-cost clean-energy sources. But fossil fuels will still set the energy price for most of the time for at least the remainder of this decade. Unless Europe better transfers the benefits of clean energy to end-users, energy prices will continue to dampen growth.

    This is something that has been raised on here among other places. End users need to see the benefits in their pockets as so far, it's all take take take.

    https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/09/09/mario-draghi-outlines-his-plan-to-make-europe-more-competitive

    I particularly liked this line

    The EU has reached a point where, without action, it will have to compromise either its welfare, the environment or its freedom.

    Of these, the environment will be the one that will be sacrificed if a choice is to be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Flogging a dead horse methinks. The same poster who's now lecturing us on agriculture is the same one who claimed Greens weren't proposing that we would be fossil free by 2050, and posted links to the wrong climate action document at least a dozen times in spite of being corrected every time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    The BBC has been carrying articles about Typhoon Yagi every day for the past week.

    Every one of them contains the mandatory climate change info:

    Scientists say typhoons and hurricanes are becoming stronger, more frequent and staying over land for longer due to climate change. Warmer ocean waters mean storms pick up more energy, which leads to higher wind speeds.

    The problem is that's wrong… it's not what scientists say. Even where the BBC provide links to other articles on their site their own articles don't even say what they claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Would have to agree with what he said but the ironic thing is that it was during his term in charge that the rot started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


    An educational link for our vegan posters

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=851471750416635&set=a.522109086686238



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Unfortubately you are most likely right. That poster just goes with the first thought that enters their head and when clearly shown how misinformed and incorrect they are, rather than throw up the shovel, believes that digging deeper is how to get out of a hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    As @Pa ElGrande has often pointed out here, when it comes to reports and reporting it`s always a good idea to follow the money. The BBC like our own RTE is heavily dependent on government funding and if you are paying the piper you get to call the tune



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The BBC is worse than RTE, it has fully embraced activism in particular one Justin Rowlatt, the message permeates all it's productions. In the UK market SKY news follows the Greenpeace line, the only occasional skeptical viewpoints can be found on GB news or talk radio, the telegraph and Daily Mail tend to flit between both sides, while the Guardian is full throttle alarmist.

    Who were the SECRET 28 who ended all climate debate at the BBC? • The Register. It took some time to extract the information including court cases. Here is the list. It included two Greenpeace campaigners, several other environmentalist activists, representatives of business, charities, the Church of England, BP and Npower Renewables, economists, media people and politicians. As for climate scientists they were very thin on the ground. 😀

    Chistopher Booker (RIP) was a journalist who covered this scandal see The BBC and Climate Change: a Triple Betrayal (PDF)

    If you thought Irish political corruption was bad, it does not hold a candle to the English, in particular the conflicts of interests of the likes of Lord Deben, Baroness Brown and others of the climate change committee. The reason the BBC gets away with this, all the main parties agree with the dominant climate change narrative and more importantly, follow the money, so does "the city". Even King Charles is making bank from the offshore wind turbines. The current labour government in the UK has appointed Ed Miliband.

    Unfortunately this has serious implications for us here in Ireland, we are dependent on the UK for gas supply (Moffat line) , refining of petrol and diesel. We drive on the same side of the road, the UK car market matters to us. All the current electricity inter-connectors run to the UK. Any issues with UKs energy supply affect us directly.

    Ed Miliband is putting Britain's future in the hands of eco-fanatics (archive.org)

    It may sound like a parody. And yet, Ed Miliband, the Energy Security and Net Zero Secretary, has just effectively given Greenpeace control over elements of our energy policy. And we are well on the way to handing anti-growth, far-Left eco-activists far too much influence over our economic fate.

    The trouble is, no one voted for that. And even worse, it will end up impoverishing us all. 

    The North Sea had already become a hostile legal and regulatory environment for anyone still brave enough to try and make a living from exploring for oil and gas and delivering it to British homes and businesses, to keep the lights switched on and the heating running through the winter.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,466 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    And yet the Atlantic is seeing so little activity?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/09/08/hurricane-season-forecast-climate-change/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Friend of mine has planted 25 acres of native Irish trees in Leitrim over the last 10 years or so. All the native ash and larch trees are now dead. On a biodiversity level ie the insects, something has happened to our environment that is killing our trees and we don’t know why.
    Look at every chestnut tree in Dublin. All the leaves are already brown, not due to autumn which is coming but due to a moth.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-chestnut_leaf_miner
    Our natural world is changing and not for the better.
    But we are continuing to consume, dispose, replace. Look at all the bigger cars on the road from say 5 years ago. The amount of plastic we are producing and then just disposing is off the charts yet people don’t think twice about just dropping their rubbish on the ground. People’s egos and how they think they look to their neighbours and relatives is more important than protecting what resources we have left. It’s absolute madness.
    I don’t know the answers, but once the insects are gone we won’t be very far behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    username checks out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Used to be Boomtastic! before the great hack of 2009. 🙃



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


    And of course the automatic conclusion is the trees are dying because of climate change when the reality is it is because of disease on saplings imported from Netherlands because of the idiotic green policy to cover Ireland with trees. Another case of Green policies doing more harm than good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The same greenies went on a crusade against burning wood too recently

    So we are in a daft situation where rainforests in South America get chopped down, wood transported to Ireland and trucked across country only to be burned in power plants and this is considered “green”

    While people here will find it next to impossible to find solid fuel stoves these days

    Meanwhile I continue to take care of trees on my land and burn them in my closed stove which has its own external air supply (and can then use same wood ashes in garden), laughing at eejits who rely on expensive electricity for heating in winter (when solar is nonexistent too) and heat pumps that don’t work well and most time incorrectly installed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Yeah, someone with all the answers! And the Larch?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    I find it hard to believe you don't know that fungal infestations are killing the ash and larch trees, especially since the fungus that attacks ash trees was first discovered in Co. Leitrim in a plantation that used imported ash plants. Whether we like it or not we live in world where you can be on the other side of the globe in 24 hours, we are also part of an EU open borders scheme, this means not only people but plants and their pathogens can be moved about with ease across the zone. Older generations may remember the spread of Dutch elm disease back in the 70s and 80s. It has been impossible to grow potatoes in this country without anti-fungal sprays due to the ongoing evolution of different strains of blight, fortunately the Colorado beetle (discovered on imported lettuce) has not managed to get a foothold here. The moths impacting the chestnut trees in Dublins leafy suburbs are just another addition to the biodiversity. Perhaps there is an opening for you to start a far right green party, call it an fís nua ar dheis (sic) to keep undesired biodiversity out.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Not sure how many are aware of the link between biodiversity and the far right message. Native Irish trees have an average of 300 sub species living off them. Imported trees, regardless of size/age, would have maybe 10/15. It’s that stark.
    As for a new greener party, maybe that’s what’s needed. The old one is a busted flush in many eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,233 ✭✭✭creedp


    Are you implying that anyone who doesn't rely of wood burning stoves for heat is an ejit or only those who disagree with you that a wood burning stove is an efficient source of heating when you have plenty of land from which to harvest your own supply?

    Have both btw and for sure the HP is an efficient heat source for me. Only really use stove for added comfort during really miserable weather. But then again I have to buy wood which isn't that inexpensive really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Dont know about other species but ash dieback was imported into Leitrim from Europe. People buying cheap infected saplings about 10 -15 years ago.

    https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/advice/forest-protection/ash-dieback/#:~:text=Ash%20dieback%20was%20first%20detected,plants%20imported%20from%20continental%20Europe.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


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    EU competitiveness: Looking ahead - European Commission (europa.eu)

    Finally, over time energy taxation has become an important source of budget revenues, contributing to
    higher retail prices. source


    Working my way through it, customary calls for EU subsidies and protectionism, more importantly there is an underlying assumption that "clean tech" is the answer even when it's irrelevant to the issues raised. The question can "clean tech" actually deliver the results promised is never asked.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    They weren't cheap, and Coillte were selling them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Who is behind this whinging page?

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