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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,893 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I dont want to be "exposed" to racists calling black posters N/££ER all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,893 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Anyone seen this?

    True or fake?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,399 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, it isn't. It's a cesspit. Somehow, he found a way to make it worse. I fail to see how my life will be improved by reading opinions justifying the molestation of children, anti-vaxx, climate science denial, the great replacement, or whatever drivel the mainstream American right have embraced.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Well stay away from those people then, I never saw the N word in my X feed and I'm not shying away from, let's say, robust opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not good for anyone. Take any horrendous figure, e.g. Alex Jones, he uses the same "free speech" grift Musk does to spread his vile views. And before someone says "but community notes" - Jones had millions of daily users being poisoned by rhetoric before he was de-platformed.

    You know what's better than Holocaust denial and anti-vax quackery? No Holocaust denial and anti-vax quackery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    It really isn't:

    • The top replies are no longer the best or funniest. Instead they're all the twitter blue subscribers who tend to be weird Elon Super fans, consipracy theorists, crypto accounts, pro-Russian propaganda accounts, libertarians or far-right types who want to turn everything into a culture war topic.
    • The bot situation has gotten out of control - During big sporting events I used often search the official hastags to see what people were saying online. If you do that now 90% of the replies will be bots trying to get you to click on (what they claim to be) illegal streams. Then in the replies you see the same porn-bot type accounts over and over.
    • Low quality ads all over the place "Do you need to lose weight now?", "Look at this crappy knick-knack for your home"
    • Removing the ability to see who liked a post. Making it way heard to find the quote tweets for a particular tweet
    • An incentive scheme that just makes people try and post outrageous stuff in order to generate clicks to farm outage

    And that's just the structural stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Your life will not be improved by those opinions that you are free to ignore because no one is forcing them on you. However, having the freedom to post those opinions is something that makes your life better - you don't have to even exercise that freedom, but you need to know it's there. The anti-vaccine narrative was something that reached it's peak while it was suppressed on all media and mainstream social media sites. Suppression doesn't work, it makes things worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,400 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Musk will use his fake bots, and his algorithm to promote racist Nazi vomit and worse. You won't be able to stay away from them. He will flood Twitter through his account and you won't be able to block or mute. The only choice will be to stay away from Twitter. This is clearly a tactic to drive moderates from Twitter so he can use it as a loudspeaker to spread hate and lies. And he has given himself the biggest loudspeaker.

    Do you think it is ok to troll rape survivors and tell them they deserved to be raped?

    Because Musk does, by his actions of commission and omission.

    The argument from your previous posts welcomes the fact that such a survivor on twitter should not be allowed to block or mute the spewers of such hate?
    Do you welcome that? It's ok because she is being "exposed to opinions she doesn't like"?
    And this is not me putting words in your mouth. This is me applying the logic expressed in your previous post to actual scenarios that have played out on Twitter.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64804007

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I can think of no greater argument that Twitter is demonstrably worse under Musk then that that account is active again. And they're right back to what they were posting when they got suspended

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,400 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's very important to hear both sides of the arguments apparently.

    Such as misogynist trolls being able to tell rape survivors they deserve to be raped.

    Such as Nazis spewing hatred about mixed race couples.

    That's robust first Amendment territory according to Musk, apparently.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't know what you're doing wrong or what I'm doing right but I don't have this kind of content in my feed. And even if you have, the fix is simple: . . . → not interested.

    Can it be that you actually go searching for content that offends you?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,399 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It was never suppressed. Feel free to provide evidence but it was roundly and rightly called out for the hateful nonsense it is.

    Nobody's forcing them on me, true but when I see the same people trying to shut down left wing opinions, it quickly becomes clear that they don't care about free speech at all.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I don't think Leon realises that the first amendment means sweet f*ck all outside of America.

    I mean, unless he's actually trying to get rid of Twitter worldwide, and just have it for the US? It's obvious (to me) that if he does actually go ahead with getting rid of blocking and muting, the EU will follow Brazil's lead and kick Twitter out of the block.

    (And yet somehow this sh*t-for-brains is on track to be a trillionaire? Money makes money, people)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,399 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think he doesn't realise it because he's radicalised himself to the point where he doesn't even realise that there's a whole world outside the US. Like, he's wailing about Brazil at the same time. Supreme case of cognitive dissonance, I reckon.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Cordell


    https://www.reuters.com/technology/zuckerberg-says-biden-administration-pressured-meta-censor-covid-19-content-2024-08-27/

    And it didn't work. It made things worse, and not only for covid vaccine, we're seeing diseases that were supposed to be eradicated coming back. Left, right, anti-scientific, nonsensical, stupid, any kind of opinion should be allowed, that's how we grow, not by hiding them away, but by exposing them to criticism and ridicule. And even trolling if it needs be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Before Youtube changed it's algorithm, a search for e.g. "9/11" would bring up hundreds of conspiracy videos. Likewise with Google.

    People with extreme views are more inclined to share and spread those views, often faster than they can be refuted.

    For example, a dozen people are estimated to be responsible for the majority of global anti-vaccine disinformation. Musk has handed those people a megaphone and a bigger audience.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,399 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wouldn't place too much faith in the word of Mark Zuckerberg, honestly. I'd prefer to see something more solid.

    You ignored the end of my post, I see. Free speech should be for everyone or nobody.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,857 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Community notes were introduced in 2021 before Musk bought it. It was expanded in 2022, especially after he bought it. It's slow to react, misses most misleading tweets and isn't a replacement for a trust and safety team.

    Leon Musk regularly removed notes from his own tweets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    could not find it, but found a community note that stated that to mute/ban/block someone is mandatory for social platforms.
    Stalking is bad enough as it is, imagine if you cannot mute/ban/block someone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,893 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I dont go near them, they show up on my feed and in the replies to others.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Fake I think - Just did a quick scroll though his posts and the above doesn't seem to be there , at least not now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    You cant just get away from these people on that app. The whole app is structured to allow blue tick subscribers top row seat in any thread.

    If there is even a hint of any thread that may criticize anything Musk says or does you can be damn sure the army of Musk stans will be out in force at the top comments defending him like their lives depended on it.

    I ditched X well over half a year ago now, and while there is some content I will now miss out on because of it. I am sure it is the best decision I have made. The very worst dregs in society having free rein to spout any hate they like. You can keep your free speech app if that's what it looks like.

    More people are feeling the same way by the day and are ditching X, the site will become more of an echo chamber of hate and racism by the day if that trend continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,400 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Do rape survivors "grow" by being allowed to be taunted by misogynistic trolls telling them they deserved to be raped?

    I cited an BBC article covering this exact scenario on Twitter.
    You had no response.

    That you have no answer to this is entirely discrediting of your line of argument here, and your claims therefore have negative credibility.

    If you continue to make similar arguments about why people should be exposed to such hateful content, you can expect to be similarly challenged.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You ignored the end of my post

    No, I haven't. I said that both left and right opinions should be equally free, and if they are people trying to suppress one or the other they are obviously not supporting free speech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Who on earth are you following, that they appear in your feed? Are you browsing 'For You' by mistake?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,399 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,078 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "False or misleading claims about the U.S. election that Elon Musk has posted to X this year have generated nearly 1.2 billion views, according to an analysis published Thursday by the nonprofit Center for Countering Digital Hate. 

    Researchers from the center said they identified 50 instances this year when Musk posted election claims that have been debunked by independent fact-checkers but spread widely on the app anyway. 

    None of the 50 posts by Musk displayed a “Community Note” to correct his claims or add context, calling into question the effectiveness of X’s user-driven fact-checking system, the center said. "

    Ah yes, community notes mitigating the tidal wave of disinfo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Elon Musk's keeps banging on about free speech absolutism but time and time again he has caved to authoritarian governments (China, Saudi Arabia to name a couple) when asked to block accounts of dissidents that they wanted to silence.

    I guess "Free Speech for all……………….unless a large country who I'm trying to flog my cars to or a country with a large chunk of this company tells me to block someone" doesn't have the same ring to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,957 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    what is the saying? "a lie is half way around the world before the truth is even out of bed". something like that. community notes are only effective if created in a timely manner. with the amount of bile and bullshit on twitter that is practically impossible.



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