Russia-Ukraine War

Hopefully titanium pellets and warheads to foreheads

Live conference now

NATO does have better tanks than Russia, significantly better in most cases. Some people took that to mean that Western tanks are invincible, which they are not.

There's an arms race between tanks vs e.g. drones at the moment, currently drones are mostly coming out ahead, but it's dynamic. Some of the new measures being developed for newer tanks are pretty impressive and could re-swing that balance the other way in future. Hard to tell at this stage.

Western tanks are better, witness Ukrainians capturing more in a week and half than Russians in a year and a half and still growing the area a month later

edit: NL just ordered more

So a few days after Ukraine told US officials about targets they wanted to used ATACMS on in Russia, Russia moves 95% of its planes beyond the 300km those missiles can reach.

Something stinks again in the White House.

What we think of this?

A nation of Cletus's (Cleti?). ''Hey kids, I founds some good roadkill…we're eatin' tonight''

I think they'll just end up fitting that British laser to them and then it's back to tank warfare.

The lessons of this war war so far episode discussed earlier in thread and recorded shortly before Kursk

goes into discussion as to why tanks are not completely irrelevant to modern warfare and why drones are not the be all they being hyped up

One of the points was if tanks were completely useless then why are Russians continuing to use them and adding sheds on top (to much amusement of tank guy talking) either there is some value or Russians truly are stupid

A few weeks later Kursk happened

@Manic Moran made good points, tanks are just one of the tools in an arsenal of modern militaries working in conjunction with other tech where everything supports everything else, for example during Kursk Ukrainians used drones to provide EW and counter Russian drones while tanks captured the ground

IMHO it’s not tanks that are dead but stupid Russian tactics leading to 600,000 dead and institutional inability to learn from mistakes as the top priority for Russian commanders is staying alive in the Putin zoo, waging war with disposable meat bags is tertiary

down the road it will be AI against AI but it seems like coming to the end of the age where one standing army crosses a border to go after another standing army

you still need boots on the ground to claim and hold the ground, those troops one would suppose would want as much armour around them as possible

Landing a drone on a building and planting a flag won’t do it

Take Taiwan, let’s say China sends swarms of drones and bombs the place to stoneage with missiles and blocks access with navy and airforce

They still won’t “own it” unless manage to land millions of troops

I doubt for instance Afghanistan could be rerun now , IEDs and aks are old hat so I think there will indeed be less "boots on the ground" which on average would be a good thing

Back to current affairs, good news all around

Go on Romania! Russian missiles will be zig zagging their way even more around Ukraine now.

Sorry if this was already posted.

The Ukrainians have lost a fair few Abraams and the modern Leopard 2Ax variants, although often with the crew saved (likely due to the Russians specifically throwing the kitchen sink at them)

But have only been observed to lose three Leopard 1A5's - looks like it's a fairly solid older tank. The more the merrier.

ontop of 350 million US just announced

Canada is doing this

looks like they are handing over their whole arsenal of these rockets they were gonna decommission

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRV7

I guess in a few months we will see fleets of single launch drones launching these air to ground missiles