Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

The Digital Services Act 2024 [EU] ~ Social Media and You

2»

Comments

  • #32
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    @thereiver Eu researchers have published study's that say there's no way of safely providing age verification to millions of users

    Yet you failed to link any report on the studies? I will try to help you out there: -

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/02/08/the-sledgehammer-approach-of-age-verification-tools-wont-make-the-internet-safer

    However, policymakers worldwide are failing to acknowledge the threat of surveillance and the risk to everyone’s privacy online posed by the use of these systems.

    Contrary to what the Irish regulator says, experts have shown that tools like age verification can bring more harm to the very children that the code aims to protect.

    What the EU is attempting to bring in is a centralized app, so you won't have to share personal information with every site you visit.

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/display/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/The%2BDigital%2BIdentity%2BRegulation%2BEnters%2Binto%2BForce

    as regards establishing the European Digital Identity Framework. Member States will now be required to offer at least one EU Digital Identity Wallet to all Citizens, and Residents by 2026.

    The wallet will be a mobile app enabling users to identify themselves to public and private online services, all over Europe. In addition, users will be able to store, present and share digital documents (everything from university diplomas to train tickets) as well as electronically sign or seal documents.

    I share your worries and concerns about such as system and how secure it could possibly be? But it seems the EU Commision wants to implement this and has enforced it.

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #33
    thereiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Experts have said there's no efficient. Or safe way to do age verification of millions of users that will not put user privacy at risk of hackers and private info being sold off or exposed by hackers in the future Most PCs run windows os it has many security vulnerabilitys it needs constant updates to stay secure. Not every company bothers to do updates monthly and of course hackers use social engineering to get passwords or logins

    The eu. has basic user data privacy laws apple has to limit some apps that appear on eu iphones to not break the law on user privacy

    If you google age verification USA you.ll articles about the dangers of this process especially when it applys to the data of young teens

    Recently hackers got access to every social security no of everyone in America even government databases are not safe



  • #34
    thereiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Theres a new Control Chat law coming into force most eu countries voted for it to be put into law it enables chat messaging apps to be monitored by government it's not clear how it will work it seems there will some form of age verification especially for apps to have message encryption

    Its becoming harder to have a normal life without uding a smartphone every service retail store has an app

    I,m not an expert I think parents should wait til a certain age before giving kids a smartphone

    Maybe 12 or 14



  • #35
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122575757#Comment_122575757

    Chat Control: The EU’s CSEM scanner proposal

    The End of the Privacy of Digital Correspondence


    The EU Commission proposes to oblige providers to search all private chats, messages, and emails automatically for suspicious content – generally and indiscriminately. The stated aim: To prosecute child sexual exploitation material (CSEM). The result: Mass surveillance by means of fully automated real-time surveillance of messaging and chats and the end of privacy of digital correspondence. Other aspects of the proposal include .., mandatory age verification resulting in the end of anonymous communication, appstore censorship and excluding minors from the digital world.

    Source: - https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/

    Youtube discussion with website owner: - STOP Chat Control! | Patrick Breyer on the danger of mass surveillance #privacy #eu #encryption

    Ireland in favour of it.

    The EU government will be returning to work on #ChatContol on Wednesday!!! The EU has an alternative name for it. Search 'EU’s CSEM scanner proposal' should find pdf links on it.

    image.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse

    Edit: - Voted on by member states, but can't find a vote on it in EU Parliament as of yet. Something to check on https://howtheyvote.eu/

    Once I do more research on it, might be time to contact our 14 MEP's on it.

    Haven't look at it deeply myself, something outside the Digital Services Act.

    Sorry mods, don't mean to be doing a link dump again.

    Post edited by corkie on

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #36
    thereiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    This is what happens in america as well , every new law or regulation about the internet is justified as being necessary to protect the children.America has section 230 which means apps or services cannot be sued for content or messages posted by users. to exclude minors from digital apps or services it,s necessary to enable age verification unless there is some kind of digital passport id which can be recognised by any app or eu website ,like if you want to use email you have to login with a username and password



  • Advertisement
  • #37
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    Edit: - Looks like the examiner pulled the article since posting. Wonder why?

    Media regulator begins crackdown on world’s leading social media giants hosting illegal content

    • Ireland’s media regulator has begun a crackdown on the world’s leading social media giants hosting illegal content in a move that could lead to fines worth billions of euro.
    • Coimisiún na Meán has given companies including Meta, YouTube and X, formerly Twitter, four weeks to tell it how they are fulfilling their obligations, before it takes further action.

    ^^ Google cache of the article since original removed?

    Wondering what sparked this latest Digital Services Act initiative now? Has the below any connection to the proceedings?

    image.png

    ^^ Source

    Mr Breton may no longer been in the same position after next weeks allocation of commissioners.

    Edit 2: - Link working again, looks like examiner tweeted today's (12th) cover to soon, and before Coimisiún na Meán released a statement.

    https://www.cnam.ie/coimisiun-na-mean-opens-review-of-online-platforms-compliance-with-eu-digital-services-act/

    Post edited by corkie on

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #38
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    On Tuesday 17th EU Parliament had a plenary, in which the following was a topic: -

    Global measures towards social media platforms - Strengthening the role of DSA and protecting democracy and freedom in the online sphere (debate)(11:55-13:42 CET)

    Billy Kelleher, Fidas and Cynthia Ní Mhurchú had a fiery speech where she ran out of time. Embarrassed for her approach to it.

    Meanwhile Thierry Breton the face of the DSA (Internal Market) resigned and no new commissioner was assigned the role. Instead the person responsible for the DSA has been amalgamated into: -

    • Finland’s Henna Virkkunen has been appointed as the European Commission’s next executive vice-president for Tech Sovereignty, Security, and Democracy, signalling a shift in EU digital policy. ~~ PDF:- role and responsibilities.

    You may have heard that Michael McGrath was assigned as Commissioner for Democracy, Justice, and the Rule of Law. ~~ PDF: - Role and responsibilities.

    He has been made responsible for implementing (VDL's pet project) the 'European Democracy Shield'. Hence why I have dubbed him the New 'EU Commissioner for censorship'. I thought I mentioned the EDS on this site before, but seems the search index probably needs updating.

    Edit:- Just came across the below now: -

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41479147.html

    • Simon Harris will on Thursday evening host an online safety forum, alongside the Digital Regulators’ Group, which includes Coimisiún na Meán, the Data Protection Commission, the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission, ComReg and An Comisiún Toghcháin, as well as gardaí.
    • "We have a Digital Services Act, and what we now must do is hear from our regulators, hear from Coimisiún na Meán about how we put in place this binding code, and then we get that in place by the end of the year. So we look forward to hearing from them today, hearing from the gardaí and hearing from a range of relevant ministers."

    It will be interesting to hear the outcome of the forum. Must see if it is available publicly to tune in?

    Post edited by corkie on

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #39
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    image.png

    The Digital Services Act: A threat to freedom of speech

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbJlV3rXgI

    Some strong arguments why 'Free speech' needs to be protected to have a true democracy!

    I'm not really concerned about your views on the 'ECR Group' or the speaker Michael Shellenberger but let's here the feedback on them anyway. Here is his 'Xitter' thread on the video and topic!

    Ireland and the 'European Democracy Shield' was discussed as well, Michael McGrath will have a tough role implementing it, I tweeted him and pointed to the video. Hope he sees the video.

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #40
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    First Anniversary Meeting of the European Board for Digital Services

    On 19 February 2025, the European Board for Digital Services (“the Board”) convened for its 12th meeting, on the first anniversary since its official formation last year. Also marking the first anniversary of the Digital Services Act’s (DSA) full applicability, the Regulation has already had a profound effect on the online environment. ~ Source:- digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu

    So a year in action and they are celebrating the introduction of: -

    As I predicted back on 15 August 2024, when they couldn't get the 'Hate Speech' bill passed, that they would introduce it through the EU DSA, Jan 20, 2025.

    'Hate Speech' bill was mentioned by @H_Lime in a recent posting in Gript Thread about the Gardaí abusing their powers and going after themselves and 10 others, through requesting personal information from 'X' activity on there accounts.

    • Freedom of expression is a fundamental right and a cherished value which – as enshrined in human rights law - must not be exploited to incite hatred and violence.

    The EU have gone to great efforts to state that the DSA and now European Democracy Shield as well are not about online censorship, but their strategy's and laws/guidelines seem to me at least to be so.

    The cooperation framework of the DSA is now fully operational. Almost every Member State has designated a Digital Services Coordinator (DSC). DSCs are independent national authorities that enforce the DSA in their jurisdictions, protecting users online and supporting the Commission's enforcement efforts.

    Almost every member state, so some don't yet have a DSC, last April, Six EU Member States – Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Poland, Portugal and Slovakia – where failing to appoint Digital Services Coordinators (DSCs). So wondering which states have yet to comply?

    @Big Bag of Chips Used a Heading format at the top of this post, please don't confuse it with BOLD!?

    @Beasty and @Quin_Dub I'm resurfacing this thread, with recent Information, and hoping it doesn't result in closure of it with possibly new developments on the laws coming into force with the New EU Commission.

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #41
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    Some people may have told me I was doomsayer going on about #DSA.

    From the 21st July some of my concerns over online Age Verification are about to come true. And it will even apply to Boards.ie. @Overheal

    So online adult liberties will be effect by this.

    I waiting on a Passport Application since mid June, which will hopefully be deliver by the end of the month and not in time for the verification process, hoping they will accept a drivers licence.

    See my recent posts in the 'X' thread on this!

    Post edited by corkie on

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Advertisement
  • #42
    xckjoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    I emailed all our MEPs expressing concern over this. No response yet but we'll see how it goes



  • #43
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123842730#Comment_123842730

    Best of luck with that but as most where/are in favour of it! So I wouldn't expect anything with them saying they oppose it, during the EU Elections last year, Only 1 candidate replied to me.

    https://twitter.com/SusanDoyleSD/status/1783072791463358738

    And Cynthia Ní Mhurchú MEP has been quiet vocal in her support for it and sticking it to MUSK!

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • #44
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,175 ✭✭✭corkie


    @xckjoo More information:-

    In summary, Ireland’s MEPs and ministers strongly support age verification, seek harmonized EU-wide regulation, but the debate continues over the best technical solutions and the balance with user rights. ~ Perplexity.ai

    Note:- If your using paypal that AI search engine is Offering 12 Months free PRO and you can unsub straight away.

    Comet browser now available to.

    Aras25 | "The people who spoiled their votes on Friday 24th Oct took part in a legitimate political action, as is their right!"
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



Advertisement