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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭BK5


    Saw a video on Tik Tok of Daddy Burke standing in a street and some people were cheering him and a couple of them shook his hand.

    Do these people not bother investigating the facts of this case? Do they not care that the Burke's are a hate filled shower of c**ts? If a member of their family was gay, the Burkes would actively wish they burned in hell?

    Hope people are not starting to buy into their bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,038 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    A lot of people just hate authority figures so the likes of the Burkes are heroes to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,067 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This documentary was on tonight. Obviously inspired the Berks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    I'd very much like to know who is behind Enoch Burke and co ….. just you wait and see one of them will attempt to go for president and another go for the Dail next year …. either as an independent or for some looney party like the Irish People, the Freedom Party or the National Party …. or Derek Blighe's crowd can't think of what he calls them …. I think they are Ireland First ?? …

    All are copies of MAGA and Trump …. bankrolled by big money from dodgy sources …. Burke is not going in and out of prison for nothing …. he has done jail time for some reason and some force has big plans for him ….. for now Burke is regarded as a feckin' eejit everyone is laughing at …. then again so too was Hitler back in the early Weimar Republic days ….



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  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would have thought that their religious beliefs were behind their actions, and a sheltered upbringing which causes them to rage against anyone they disagree with, rather than any political motivation.

    Your history is a little hazy.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And even they think the Burkes have gone too far.

    The Westboro crew ,whilst being utterly reprehensible have always been incredibly smart when it comes to the legal side of things.

    They know exactly how far they can push things but still remain legal, a skill the Burkes simply do not have.

    Fred Phelps was quoted as saying that Enoch needed to obey the Courts and the Gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,067 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Eleven of the Phelps children are lawyers, a tactic the Berks did their best to follow. What kind of mother is Martina anyway, with her trifling five children. Surely any true Christian mother would at least have hit double figures, like the Phelps.

    Fred died in 2014, so I don't think it was himself commenting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭youtheman


    Well, did Enoch get his 'collar felt' this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Naw, Hes at the school again. Laughing at the courts and the Gaurds. The lad with his hands on his hips behind the tree says it all really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,654 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I wonder what he brings in his bag? A packed lunch?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I thought he always stands at the gate? That does not look like the school gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    He has never stood at the school gate. He walks into the school and heads for a classroom if they don't get to lock the doors in time. Bit hard when you have a school with hundreds of children to let in.

    Thankfully they are able to lock him out most of the time and he stands by the windows all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Has it been established that he is entering the school building regularly as posters have claimed

    Does he use school toilet as needed or not

    As stated previously it's admirable nothing is leaking out from the school . Presumably the rags would be mad to print?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    That fact had not been clear to me. FFS, the guards should have collared him days ago then. Of course that is disruptive to the students and staff. I reckon by tonight he will be settling into his new cell.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I think I have this:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Deleted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One wonders how many he has as a fanbase likely to turn up at the 4 Courts to tip their hats as he arrives there.

    I've wondered at the origins of the various photos showing him in what is apparently the school grounds close to WHS buildings, excluding the ones with the school gates and shield. Never having been there, or seen the physical layout of it and its buildings at ground level, I'm minded to ask how many of the handily available photos of EB are from genuine media sources or from some-one's handy stock of propaganda images.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Has it been established that he is entering the school building regularly as posters have claimed

    Well established.

    The entire school is private property including the grounds.

    Absolute no gaining entry unless invited.

    Child Safety 101.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Are the papers taking the pics or would they have an arrangement with someone to pay for snaps



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Child safety 101 ? Whatever that means

    Your posts tend to read as cobbled together bits of hyperbole

    Are you saying there's a specific law here regarding child safety that makes entry illegal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    WHS.png

    Enoch makes sure he is visible from the gate for the journalists to keep him in the news. They take their photos from the gate and he stands in the red circle or just around the corner.

    He knows what he is doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    If there is no law stating that someone not invited into a school is doing a criminal act the law should be changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    You're asking me? Ref papers taking pics, from what I've seen at the 4 Courts when high profile cases or award cases are on there, or high profile cases at the Courts by the park, there are several [3 or 4] regular photographers there taking photos by the bucketload for media release.

    Given that the family have a video recording person with Mrs and Josiah whenever they are on tour to make a statement about something they feel is wrong here, I have no doubt that the family would have some-one handy to take a photo or two for the benefit of the propaganda war it began with WHS and extended to the 4 courts. Enoch's Dad is known to deliver him daily for "sentinel" duty at the school gates. What's a better opportunity to take some photos for the family album and give away a few free photos?

    Edit: apologies Drury.. Dav101, another poster to this debate, used an image of EB standing in front of what seem to be WHS perimeter fencing and school gates with the school logo signs affixed in one of his/her posts. I mistakenly ascribed that post to be one from you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Yes the school have to abide by it's governance.

    Go to any school and they will have a sign stating attendance by strict appointment only.

    You thinking that is cobbled together hyperbole makes me worry about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Eoineo


    Garda vetting is required for all staff at any school. To be compliant it has to be renewed every 2 years and the vetting request is issued by the school. There is quite the chance that he is no longer Garda vetted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,367 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    If his Garda vetting expired then the renewal process would involve him filling out a form with two forms of ID to prove who he is.

    This then would be given to the school to verify and send to the next stage.

    That next stage would involve Burke filling out more forms to say where he lives/lived, whether he has any criminal convictions etc.

    That is then reviewed by the Gardai and he is either vetted or they could come back looking for more info etc.

    So in order for him to be vetted he needs to school to do there part.

    Now because he is appealing his dismissal from the school are they obligated to do their part even though they don't want to or think they don't have to?

    As for the Garda part of it, he has no criminal convictions, but are they obligated to give him the all clear because they have verified who he is, where he lived/lives and has no convictions ?

    Or do they have any leeway into vetting him or refusing to vet him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,001 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    More likely the Garda would tell him as it involves filling in an official form, he needs to attend at the local Garda station to fill it in for official purposes and there would be a helpful member or two to assist him, maybe even offering him a lift in a handy Garda car for PR purposes…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I imagine it won't be a problem. The likelihood of him teaching in a school again is pretty much zero.



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