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General Irish politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    ff and fg to romp home in election.it’s obvious that a fair chunk of the country are happy with what’s going on .tents,waiting lists in hospitals,limerick hospital all going great and homelessness.doesn’t matter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,893 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Lets look at this coldly and without the spin.

    Tents? There is a global mass migration crisis, Countries in southern Europe, the US and so on, are affected far more than Ireland. The Government are setting up centres which are coming on stream slowly. If I see a handful of tents in the south City, its not really affecting my life.

    Waiting lists? Half the Irish population has private health cover, and the vast majority of the other half aren't ill. Don't forget, FF and FG have been extending free GP cover for kids all along, its now for all 8yo and under. Thats what people notice and feel in their pocket.

    Limerick Hospital? A disgraceful episode. Seems to be more organisational than systemic. The Chief Executive has been suspended, the investigation continues. Doesn't affect the life of the vast majority of voters, and they aren't thinking about it.

    Homelessness? Housing remains a huge challenge. But the vast majority of the 14,000 homeless are not in fact sleeping rough, they are in accommodation that is temporary, and include the economic migrants in the tents and the reception centres. It also means that 5,241,000 people aren't homeless. And that 2,800,000 people live in mortgaged properties and are getting on with their lives in their full employment and their decent earnings, thank you very much.

    Don't forget, we're only talking about 46% picking FF and FG, not 100%. But in our system, 40-50 percent is a Dáil majority for 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I will say FFG will only win 1 seat here in Kerry and will FG retain all them seats vacated by retiring Td,s

    It is a sad state of affairs by the opposition that it is mainly independents to vote for .I hope Indpependent Ireland & the National Alliance gain a bit of momentum as they are badly needed to ask the hard questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Who are the national alliance? I've never heard of them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dublin49


    So if you want to express your opposition to the current Government management of the Immigration situation you have two choices.You can vote for some feisty local on an "Ireland first" platform who probably wont get elected or suck it up and vote for one of the mainstream parties.So in reality there is no way for the electorate to voice their displeasure because of the strange consensus in the political community on this issue.This consensus is strange given the consensus on the ground is in my experience the opposite,I get that its anecdotal but there is definitely IMO a disconnect ,like the political parties nailed their convictions to the mast back in 2020 and won't react to a dramatically changing reality that is becoming worse by the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If you don't like any of the options on the menu you need to be getting into the kitchen and rustling up something yourself, or encouraging some like-minded mates to do that on your behalf…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,509 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Whats stopping you and all the others involved in this "consensus on the ground" from standing yourselves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,893 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    That strange concensus is called democracy lad!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What the anti-government and anti-'establishment' supporters are missing is that vast swathes of the population are largely unaffected by things like homelessness, the current housing crisis and hospital waiting lists. Terrible for those people and families actually caught up in it, yes, but it still represents a much smaller subset of the population.

    Ditto with the whole immigration thing : probably 95% of Irish people don't live anywhere near an asylum centre or have one in their locality. There must be plenty of counties in Ireland that scarcely has a single asylum or refugee centre within its borders. The idea that the population would be basing their general election vote on the asylum situation was always hugely optimistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,925 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Exercising your franchise is the big way of expressing an opinion but it's also very blunt and only having one vote means you may end up backing other issues that you don't actually agree with. People need the work the democratic system more. If you feel strong on an issue, then you need to get that voice to the public reps and esp the senior ones. Not just once but keep hammering on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    National Party, IFP et all, the facsist alliance really



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What the anti-government and anti-'establishment' supporters are missing is that vast swathes of the population are largely unaffected by things like homelessness

    The same vast swatches of the population are generally quite opposed to the necessary solutions also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    One of the most deluded posts I've ever read on here. Well done Sir.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,925 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Lots of towns have IPA in them. Just the people in most don't loose their sh1t because of it. Their has been very little incident anywhere. I have no doubt we'd have heard, if there was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,509 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed theres also constant refrains of why arent there centres in more affulent areas etc… ohh look turns out there are and surprise surprise we never heard a peep about any protests or complaints etc I wonder why that is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,581 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The far left parties will always favour purity over compromise.

    FF, FG, greens and Labour have proven they can compromise to form a government. SF suggest they can too. I'd like to think the Soc Dems also would (although I worry about them also going down the purity route).

    I can't see any other small party being open to legitimate negotiation. Some indys, yes. But not any of the other small parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There are currently around 15,000 people in emergency accommodation (a disgrace for certain).But that also means there are around 5.4 million people not in emergency accommodation.

    Saying the current three party government should be swept from power is all very well, but where is the alternative government that will improve things? The cranks of the far right have no solutions to offer….they couldn't run a cake stall at a village fair, never mind a country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Independents supporting the formation of the next government should insist on a relaxation of Ireland’s party whip system and the implementation of Seanad reform, according to Independent Senator Michael McDowell.

    Yeah Mick, I'm sure Seanad Reform is top of the shopping list for say Michael Lowry or Noel Grealish.

    The fundamental problem with this call is if as expected FFG are only looking for the support of a handful of indos, it's the ones making the most minimal demands re national policy, or preferably none at all, who are most likely to be recruited…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,214 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    I'm surprised he didn't crowbar in an anti-Metrolink rant into his address, which you can read in full here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    There is no alternative as Mary Lou is more WEF than even the FF/FGers.....and that's why SF have collapsed in the polls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Being realistic and based on current numbers, any Irish government would probably have to contain at least one of FF, FG and SF (and probably two of them). Talk of those three being bypassed and some alternative, radical government that sees itself somehow outside the 'establishment' and the mainstream is not plausible - and certainly not under the PR system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Voters who currently are ambivalent to how our welfare system is being gamed by economic tourists will eventually see the light when the tide inevitably goes out on the current boom on corporation tax etc and they see their pensions robbed again or draconian taxes introduced.Folk are mostly liberal on immigration when others are doing the heavy lifting ,posters on here need to pay attention how liberal countries like Denmark,Germany ,Sweden are all changing their minds on welcoming all comers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,925 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There's quite a difference between tightening immigration policy (which most countries keep under review), and protesting, blockades and for some, arson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,925 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I do wish that the SF housing policy has some innovative ideas. We do need to get up to building over 50K units/year. My first thought though is that, some of the measures look like they'll face, constitutional challenges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,858 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    And how do you think this 'change of heart' will manifest itself through the political system? Will the current political parties be driven to embrace serious restrictions on immigration? Or will significant numbers start voting for Derek Bighe et al? Or will the long-mooted 'credible' centre-right alternative to FG finally emerge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dublin49


    bit of both,head cases that would never have saved their deposit will poll really well and canvassers will report back to the strength of negative feeling on doorsteps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I see where Derek Blighe is highlighting a referendum which took place today in Watergrasshill in Co. Cork re a pub getting planning to host Asylum seekers .He seems to be building a strong anti imagrant following ,pretty shambolic response from sitting opposition TD's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,499 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Such a strong support he couldn't get a council seat



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,456 ✭✭✭corkie


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    ^^ GoFundMe grifter? Started on the 31st I think. If they don't have the money themselves to run, why sponge of people?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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