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Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    There is no housing crisis in Ireland; the housing market has been deliberately set up this way by the better classes to make some tin for themselves. Such a corrupt country and it is sad that Irish people have no balls to call it out and punish these people who are screwing over the taxpayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,131 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Once the charity’s governance issues were made public, there was a reduced impetus within the charity to actively fundraise because "it doesn’t look right to be going out looking for money [from the public] in the middle" of such a reputational crisis a well placed source told Prime Time.

    Instead, the charity has turned to government, which relies on it for housing and supporting some of the most vulnerable citizens in the State. The charity recently received a €15m bailout from the government.

    Typical. Organisation is a corrupt shambles so the taxpayer is forced to pick up the tab.

    They didn't want to ask the public for money, so they forced the public to pay via taxes. You couldn't make this up.

    If it's funded by taxes it's not a charity. I can't choose not to pay taxes.

    This organisation needs to be disbanded at once and criminal investigations initiated.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,131 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Really?

    All sorts of financial mismanagement at the organisations they head up, but when questions start being asked they run for the hills, so plenty of basis for comparison there.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They had completely different paths in life.

    One took a vow of poverty and devoted most of their adult life to helping poor people, the other didn't.

    This is not to excuse any wrongdoing by either Fr. McVerry or anybody else involved in the Peter McVerry Trust



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Vow of poverty? More like never have to work because everything you need is paid for, and helping the poor is not with your own money either seeing as you don't have any.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    TMK, monks take a vow of poverty, priests don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Oh he worked all right.

    It was his work and his life he gave.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,618 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    No sign of PMV himself in the last 6 months.

    He wasn't slow to appear on radio or tv when he had the begging bowl out or was slagging the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    He never looked for money for his personal use only to help others.

    Likewise he never criticised Government policy in order to improve his own lot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don't doubt he started with the best intentions. Going the eponymous route, not such a good idea. Seems it's an organisation, that he hadn't the skill set to handle. Maybe the charity sector is an area that attracts some CEO's, that haven't totally benevolent motives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    Strange that RTE should show a programme about him last night with all thats going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    He may not have wanted money. But he certainly wanted his name over the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The rules of his order preclude him from having money.

    Are you suggesting that there was vanity involved in naming the Trust ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Willie Bermingham called his good charity 'Alone'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,455 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Its getting like Matt Talbot walking around in pain but on weekends spending his charity take on weekend visits to the high roller tables in Caesars Palace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,131 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So what? You might as well point out one is a man and the other is a woman.

    Both ran organisations funded by tons of taxpayers' money and failed to account for what happened to that money.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The gender assigned at birth has nothing to do with this discussion.

    I'm not aware of Fr.McVerry making any public statements about this matter or being asked to attend at any public forum to answer questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,131 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He feckin' should be though.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    100%.

    A good rule of thumb is never donate to a "charity" when it is centred around one figure head name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    In your opinion.

    I expect there will be more developments in this shortly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    So no donations from you to Sue Ryder, Barnardo's, Macmillan Cancer Support, Cheshire Homes etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭blackbox


    A good rule of thumb is to never donate to a "charity".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Bit of a cop out really but it's your money.

    On the other hand if you put a bit of thought into it you can do your own due diligence and find a charity worthy of support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    It's a rule of thumb so yes there will be exceptions. But since most of those organisations you mentioned are UK based I don't think I will donate either. Charity begins at home.

    To clarify my stance I am always very wary of charities that fundraise based on the personality of one individual figure head. In my opinion that shows a foundation based on personality and ego. The PMVT is a perfect example. I actually don't doubt that Fr Peter himself had good intentions. He was probably a useful idiot for the real puppet masters who made the real money. There are dozens more smaller examples on go fund me at the moment. These include several examples fronted by children who claim to be campaigning on some issue like an Irish Greta Thunberg. But in reality they are just a front for unscrupulous parents that know that no one would donate to them so they plop the child in front of the cameras and watch the money roll in. They do this knowing when the **** inevitably hits the fan it's the child's name and reputation that will be destroyed in the media not their one and they will be free to just move onto the next scam. I suspect in many ways Fr Peter is like these children. The men who profited from this scandal will keep their heads down and will be back on the charity board circuit in 12 months. Fr Peter will probably die penniless in a home for retired priests and the headlines the next day will all include the word "disgraced".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,423 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    All the charities I listed are active in Ireland providing much needed services to Irish people.

    Thank you for recognising Fr. McVerry 's good intentions but characterising him as a useful idiot is wide of the mark.

    He actually delivered for poor people for many years when the rest of society looked the other way.

    Trawling through Go Fund Me pages will not give you a reliable picture of the charity sector.

    Greta Thunberg never drew a salary from her activities and her foundation only existed to give money away.

    It's illegal for board members of charities in Ireland to be paid.

    Fr. McVerry will die penniless because he has had a vow of poverty since he became a Jesuit many years ago.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Refusing to give money to a charity because of a few bad eggs is like refusing to listen to music because you don't like oasis or Taylor swift.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,301 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have always been distrustful of celebrity priests, going back to Michael Cleary and Eamon Casey. McVerry doesn't have the inherent evilness of those two, but he also likes the spotlight, and it is under his watch as Chairperson of the charity that the money was misspent.



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