General Irish politics discussion thread

The NI war had none of that and didn't create a free country

Our decade of violence and conflict/war created a 'partially free' country which largely turned it's back on what was happening in the partitioned part. That was always going to come back and bite.
And not to drag this on, I am not comparing to '100' years ago, I am comparing the transition to normal democratic politics undertaken by people who killed and injured for their beliefs, who were present in Irish politics right up to the 70's. The differing factions of that conflict/war period openly celebrated and commemorated their actions too. And all of that happened as the victims of their action and their living relatives looked on.
Exactly as is happening now. As it does everywhere, There is nothing unique about it, is the point made.

And to finish look up what SF have said about sensitivities that any new UI government will need to have. I'd recommend having a look at what our current President has said about 'ethical commemoration' too and apply it to ALL those who took a part in the most recent conflict/war here, not selectively. For instance, will FG in a UI still think it appropriate to pose in front of Michael Collins portraits as the 'governing party' or will they accept that the state needs to be sensitive in such demonstrations and, not to put a tooth in it, 'triumphalism' as a Unionist would see it?

The poster had a cheap dig, intimating that this 'lad' had a hankering for the days of ' boatloads of Libyan munitions' and made an 'observation' based on nothing that actually happened this week. The 'lad' left because SF would not turn far enough right on immigration for him.

I made my point.
Want to discuss comparisons and frankly avoid questions implied by your stance, open a new thread.

FF are conflicted on 'involvement' with SF BTW. Anyone, again with open eyes, and aware of how sleeveen FF can be, saw clearly that MM opened a door to them when he thought he had more seats than them and would get first dibs at the office he wanted - Taoiseach. He instead went with the party he told voters he would 'never' coalesce with.

You brought the topic up

This is a discussion forum,I challenged your position

You don't like that

A Discussion forum is not your one way street

I actually said that the reason FF would avoid government with SF IF the numbers meant they could was the conflict up north being so recent and victims immediate families being alive

Quite a disengenous attempt to allow only your opinion t

It is not nonsense

Otherwise SF would be treated by FF and FG like any other party

It takes numbers for them to have the luxury to avoid SF

They had the numbers once FG agreed

Without those numbers,a different set up

You just don't get the difference and are clinging to a chalk and cheese comparison to a 100 years ago to justify your point

i'm calling out that nonsense

FG aren't in government with the DUP and theres no prospect of it

They invited them to an Árd Fheis in a neighbourly and cordial way- Big difference between that and choosing who to govern with

Now you brought the topic of comparing a 100 years ago up,not me

I told you why it is a false comparison and you suddenly want to close that down

You do not get to cherry pick rebuttals in a debate

you are deliberately going on as if I said nothing again

I already explained that nearly everybody in the 20's and before were involved or linked in some way to protaganists in those wars which founded this State

Only a tiny percentage in Ni were linked to the protaganists on the Republican side in that conflict which founded no state

The former created a state the makings of which in war nearly everyone had a hand in, so commemorating killings was easier during immediate relatives lives as that was practically everyone

Theres the chalk

Your one is cheese,tiny percentage involved or linked,much bigger resentment and immediate family numbers involved to upset

No comparison

Your view as expressed here is akin to hard core Republican views which most of FF and FG regard as blinkered and do ya know theres only 2 routes to government for SF there and that is if they get the numbers such that FF and FG have to work with them or they work on helping people accept their comemerations in some way or subtle them out,not an easy task

Why am I not surprised FF and FG have such problems with SF , given the above level of beligerancy and revisionism

Do ya know it makes no odds to me how difficult ye make it for yourselves,but be sure and have an airpipe sticking up while your head is that deep in sand tbh

Back to the Councillor who has left SF, is there anything to suggest that he left because SF won't turn far enough right for him?

As he joined the party 50 years ago, and given the type of voter that SF has attracted it recent years, I'd assume he is very left leaning and speculate that he is more likely to be leaving because they have turned too far right for him.

He seems to be unhappy with their immigration policy. Whether his view is right or left or whatever it seems to be why he is leaving.

It's not my view that matters,its FF and FG's and didn't I simply say if your party holds the level of beligerency you show here towards why they will avoid working with SF,they're at nothing unless they get enough seats

Derek Blighe ~

I have decided to run in the next general election in Cork north central.
I won't allow my county or my country to be destroyed without a fight.

Source

For anyone who supports him from that LEA?

😁 The Pat Rabitte defence, sure what does it matter what they say, nudge nudge wink wink.

Best to leave it alright, and just disagree.

It will be interesting to see if his views are gaining any traction.

He got 899 in locals and 25k in Europeans. The European number sounds high, but it was still less than 4%. He won't be getting elected anytime soon thankfully.

any area like Dundrum in Tipp,NewtownMount kennedy ,Coolock,Drogheda etc that field a decent anti immigration candidate will have a good chance of getting elected.

The problem for those of us who want to register our disgust at the myriad of issues with the management of immigration in this state is we have no one to vote for.

There is a cosy cartel of all establishment parties and media holding the liberal line with regard to immigration when in my opinion the electorate have changed their minds. I cannot be sure as the curfew on decent reporting is vicelike ,such as RTE covering an opinion poll from an NGO yesterday,seriously.

Opinions on this issue are not chiselled in stone,facts change and opinions change.

Look at Denmark,Germany and Sweden,all changing and tightening their arrangements for immigrants,we need to rapidly mirror their actions or we will see a surge here.

Firstly I would like to see any immigrants coming from the UK offered a flight back or a taxi to Belfast and announce all applicants arriving from UK will be refused Asylum.

I live about 200m from a building housing immigrants and it's fine.

Same experience here.
But it isn't a one size fits all issue. There are areas where the residents don't think it is suitable and it cannot be put down to reactions to mis-information only when you have councillors of the governing parties calling out the decision making and mistruths of their own parties