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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

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  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shannon Heathrow looks to be fine so far. They have added three routes from Dublin so they will add passengers for the winter. It’s only London-Dublin that’s affected. They have even added the 3rd DUB JFK for December.

    Shame Shannon won’t see the XLR. Hopefully AA resume SNN PHL with there XLR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    On rumours very little about. Ryanairs winter schedule looks decent enough without any massive growth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ciandonn


    Any chance there will be new routes for this winter?



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Probably not. Its very late for new routes now. The winter schedule starts at the end of Oct. So schedules would be confirmed now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 EEE23


    Very likely Aer Lingus Shannon to Faro will resume in May



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Ryanair making winter route announcements at other bases at the moment so if there's anything for Shannon we'll hear soon.

    On the topic of LHR I really wish the old lunchtime EI384 service would return. Granted it's tricky when it's operated by a W pattern but it would be much more useful than the current EI388 which leaves at 8pm winter/9pm summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Noticing Turin is twice weekly over Christmas, prior to this it was once weekly.

    Some of the Spanish and Polish routes have increased in frequency too.

    A new route is possible looking at the current timetables.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not to sound pessimistic but i wouldnt count on Shannon getting a new route. There was plenty of gaps in Shannons winter schedule last year and no new routes. Only routes extended into Winter schedule.

    Ryanairs last brand new route was Dec 2022 to Liverpool. Long time ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Tend To agree. It's in the possible space more then the likely space.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wonder what impact the Limerick to Cork motorway will have on Shannon Airport.

    Travelling from Galway to Cork Airport (who have more routes? ) will then take 2 hrs - 2hrs 15 on a clear road.

    It'll kill one of the airports in time imo.

    The country is shrinking with better road infrastructure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I have relatives from Nottingham who drive from Kerry to Knock as it gets them directly to East Midlands where Ryanair fly from there to. It is easier than flying SNN or ORK to Birmingham...the next closest choices. It's only since the M17/M18 opened that they'd have considered it viable. I imagine the M20 will open up such preferable alternative options too.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Why would they travel 2 hrs to Cork when they can already travel 2hrs to Dublin which has hundreds more routes than Cork? The M4/M6 hasn't killed Knock, so I doubt the M20 is going to kill either Shannon or Cork.

    Also Cork Airport is South of Cork City which mean you'll have no choice but to drive through the city, even when the M20 is built.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You are reinforcing my point. I and plenty of others (I'm assuming) have had to fly from Dublin instead of Shannon the last few years for almost all my holidays. Not enough flights from Shannon or prices much higher. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things!

    As for Knock, what airport is within an hour of Knock? That comparison isn't relevant.

    I love using Shannon and would be pissed off it it fell away but I can't see the long term viability of two airports within an hour of each other. Just my 2c.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Yes Shannon needs more routes, but most of Shannon's business is bucket and spade, of which there is plenty of choice. It also has transatlantic, which Cork doesn't and is unlikely to have in the near future. The M20 isn't really going to affect Shannon airport. And Galwegians won't suddenly start traveling to Cork, because it will still be quicker and easier to continue going to Dublin. Galwegians who currently fly from Shannon will most likely continue to do so when the M20 opens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    The M20 is still at consultation stage.

    Depressing as this sounds there is a reason it wasn't built in good times and that is the relative difficulty of finding a route that doesn't throw up major cost and transport issues.

    I don't see this road being complete in the next decade and I'd guess Shannon would benefit as much as they'd lose with this road



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Actually it's well past consultation. The route and and public transport solutions have been finalised and it is now undergoing final design for submission to ABP in 2025.

    I do agree that it's a long way from actually being built though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    It is unfortunate Shannon doesn't have more mainland Europe offerings. Great to see the CDG service, doesn't quite do it for most though.

    The only place I'll have used Shannon for this year is London, both AMS and BER are only from Dublin.

    Many European city routes are quite thin I think is the main issue. The fares I paid even from Dublin have been very reasonable. The last minute business/other passengers from Dublin are likely what give the routes from there their yield boost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Yip. Historically it had alot more. I presume it was competing with Cork for the Charleroi route.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It would be competing with Cork in general for routes. Look were Lufthansa went to. There route team and management in general are doing a great job in getting new routes. They seem very ambitious.

    Unlike Shannon.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    They have DAA behind them whose CEO is Cork man Kenny Jacobs. They reduced landing charges in Cork as an incentive to airlines to move some flights from Dublin to Cork.

    In hindsight, Shannons separation from DAA was probably a bad idea.



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  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    even without them incentivising airlines to move from Dublin they were still doing well in Cork. That incentive is only recent. Ever since Tara Finn took over Cork route team after Covid it’s seen huge growth. MOL spoke very highly of her unlike the way he spoke about Mary Considine.

    The route team in Shannon have some work to do.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I'm not disagreeing that the Shannon team could do better, but being part of DAA has been a huge plus for Cork even before the incentives. It's not a level playing field.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No it’s not. Shannon should have stayed within the DAA. I agree with you there



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Although Neil Pakey did a good job when he ran Shannon after it split from DAA. Its been all down hill since he left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Can't agree with the above, while separating from the DAA was never going to be a mad game changer, I think it's useful to have local management groups rather than under an umbrella group named after the biggest airport of the lot.

    The biggest mistake was incorporating it into the Shannon Group, there's a big difference between tourism sights/industrial estates and running an airport.

    And Neil Pakey did what exactly? Gave Ryanair a lovely 2 year deal, which forced Aer Lingus Regional out? Most of the Ryanair routes from then are gone already. Maybe you could credit him for one of the US routes I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    I've said it before mary is only interested in the property portfolio.

    While we would love more European routes the Shannon route team needs a kick innthe behind the one advantage Shannon has over Cork is the runway to try and target a couple of more long hauls with possible looking east as well as transatlantic. Toronto was announced for summer 2020 but never a mention of it since.The motorway network is better now esp from Galway and possible take in catchment up the M7. There are slow improvements in public transport to the airport while welcome need more. Even simple things like promotion of existing routes from Shannon is dire compared to the promotion Cork does.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can’t agree with you there. Mary Considine and co have been in Shannon for years so they’d still be in management under the DAA. Like they were prior to 2013. So being under the DAA and separated from the DAA makes no difference. The head of Shannon route team has been there 40+ years.

    Yeah most of the Ryanair routes are gone due to lack of demand from Shannon.People are mad for new routes but don’t use them. They introduced new routes instead like Reus. I’d question that if they reduced the base but they didn’t. Ryanair are the same every where. They forced Wizz out of Cork two.

    Also Aer Lingus started the daily Boston and JFK, United started Chicago and American resumed Philadelphia while Neil was in charge. So not quiet one US route !

    Neil also did up the duty free which was a huge improvement to what it was prior. Also Shannon seen large growth in passenger numbers while he was in charge which stalled after he left. With them blaming the max issues. The current management are great for putting the blame on something when Shannon doesn’t get any routes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    It looks like Hanger H6 is getting revamped?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/63232964@N06/53956179057/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Airport has lodged in June plans for a 5.5-acre, 1.2-megawatt solar farm on the airfield.

    I wonder is the designated site suitable for this as often Military aircraft are parked nearby thus giving cover to those who could trespass with the intention of damaging the aircraft?

    There is a lot of roofing on the hangars and industrial estate that would have been ideal for solar energy.

    I would have preferred if they converted the old disused taxiway with its large green areas into proper parking aprons that would serve especially Shannon’s aviation leasing companies in the winter months.

    That would in turn benefit the maintenance hangars too.

    Shannon Airport Solar Farm Plan Site.png


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    The question I have for the airport is fairly simple, where are they going to park all the private flights during the ryder Cup? It's going to be chaos.



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