Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Id say if you follow the money you get an idea of what the motive is.

Hotels, food, security, equipment, sundries for hygiene. Adds up especially if it goes on for 10 years or more given how our infrastructure development is miles behind. God only knows where we will be when I retire in 2052

The canal... €45,000 for fences. An assurance from Harris it won't happen again. But here we are.

Wow, that's inhumane.

Also the road from jobstown to Crooksling is about 4 miles and is not pedestrian friendly , you should see it now.

AS I mentioned before the morgue pub in templeogue got its name from the tram days when it dropped off bodies hit by the tram around Crooksling

They are. There is plenty of documented evidence out there around failed applications and the appeals process being one cash cow for them.

Not to mention the court cases recently regarding the state not meeting it's obligations with regard to refuge/accommodation which was funded by an NGO

A - has the population of the country trebled since the early 2000's that the asylum seekers per capita was greater back then. Answer is no. 4m was the population in 2002.

B - I was referring to the total inward migration listed as 47k approx that was mainly made up as Eastern Europeans. Sure Eastern Europeans weren't asylum seekers. Mainly poles.

You stated that IPAs was higher back years ago linking that article. The numbers listed in the article that are higher than the present 20-30k was for total nwar migration inot exclusive to IPAs.

Now you claim per capita it was higher, again incorrect. Fudging of numbers and lies.

Unprecented IPAs into Ireland this year. Quantitavely or per capita.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0428/1446086-back-in-poland-20-years-after-eu-accession/

I have long believed that this is the real reason behind what seems to be a completely disjointed policy. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a mix of backhanders, political donations and jobs for the relations when it comes to these contracts being dished out.

Of all the policies that have to be employed, this is the most important. Anyone who gets their nose dirty in their first 5yrs here should get deported immediately. I've made it almost 50yrs without having a single run in with the law. It's not unreasonable to expect anyone entering the country, wanting to become a citizen that they not come to the attention of the Guards.

In 2002 we had 11.6k people arriving to claim asylum.

The highest number since then was 13.6k in 2021.

I was wrong to say this was higher nationally and have acknowledged same several times, but it was higher per capita.

We have never recorded 20k or 30k arrivals in a year. It is likely we will have somewhere around 20k this year but it hasn't happened yet.

There were Eastern European asylum seekers in the early noughties, as it was prior to EU enlargement.

The roads are getting so busy compared to twenty years ago. Driving through anything larger than a small town is getting rage inducing. Really if the population hits pre famine levels it's going to be insane.

That's quite clearly directed at what I wrote but you and I both know that shows no real resemblance to what I actually said.

I have to ask why?

What do you get out of that?

There seems to be an attempt to portray Irish people in some kind of victim role? Why?

Yeah very much so. Government seem very keen to spend lavishly on this and the lack of deportations or the political will to do anything about the refused applications is nuts. It will come back to bite us.

We have major problems now infrastructure wise and are falling ever further behind so no way they can financially justify the seemingly endless accommodating of AS in any available hotel or tent city.

And when economy tanks again, the fall out will be huge.

OGorman seems to think 15000 a year is normal and we should just accept it. I hope he is gone after the GE But he has done a lot of damage and whoever comes next will just carry it on as it will likely be FF FG carve up

Parts of Ireland are turning into a third world kip. Import the third world… you know the rest

Whats the point of one arm of our government giving out tents and another arm spending a fortune putting up barriers to stop tents when they are now just putting the tents behind the barriers?

Relevance??

Would a one parent family policy work?

Good weather for blight...

Jaysus, this thread.

I will continue to read this thread but thanks for the suggestion