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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,745 ✭✭✭Rawr


    We had wondered what the Russian reaction might look like with the invasion, and in the end it seems to mirror what I sense I lot of us predicted should the Kremlin start to panic about their chances. Essentially "Peace Now!" screamed to the rafters from the simulated perspective of a bystanding peace-lover.

    They appear to be upping their game, and I suspect they are going to try their best to push this message the more paniced they become.

    Right now the Kremlin face an increasing chance of Donnie not coming to their rescue in the US. Their own territory is being slowly taken with stories of their troops being taken alive as POWs and treated…well, nicer than their own people.

    Sure the Russian advance in Donbas slowly continues, but they are losing stupid amounts of everything to win the bombed out shells of little hamlets, while Ukraine take Russia towns intact.

    If Harris gets the White House in November; I'd wonder if they'd "goodwill" their way back over the borders and put an end to this nonsense. I feel they have very little choice beyond eating away at what little tresure they have left and then falling over exhausted of anything that even resembles military power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    For all the talk about what Putin would do if he loses

    Spare a thought to what Ukrainians do if they lose and Ukraine is conquered

    Russians using Ukrainian technology and resources coupled with men who think (Russian propaganda is already tirelessly working this angle) they got betrayed and stabbed in back by Europe turning all their anger westward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The Seym River, a lovely spot for a bit of camping and fishing 5 years ago.

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    Blowing the bridges is interesting. Makes it more difficult for Russia to resupply across. It won't trap any men though. It also means that if Ukraine intend going further north at some stage, they will be the ones with the problem of crossing the river. So maybe that is as far as Ukraine intend/hope to go this summer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,745 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That…or they've gotten some fancy AVLBs from the US.

    1200px-M60A1_Armored_Vehicle_Landing_Bridge.jpg

    Bridge it when they want to…

    (Edit: According to Wikipedia, Ukraine may actually have 8 of these.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Think of all the lovely Russian hardware that they have trapped for capture 🥰



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,337 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So do I have this right.

    Ukraine and the West are fracturing. Even hating each other.

    Ukraine needs to sue for peace.

    NUUUUKKKKKES.

    It certainly seems to be the current official position of the Russian online apologists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You got it, tho interestingly enough since this started Medvedev has not made a single tweet (he usually threatens to nuke world daily once he opens a bottle of French wine) and his massive villa Navalny exposed is somewhere …. In Kursk

    Also notice the increased uptick in the word “off ramp”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭scottser


    Lots of chatter too about Russia making significant advances in Donetsk. Rather than drawing Russian troops away from their offensive positions, the Kursk incursion seems to be negatively affecting Ukraine's ability to defend itself across a massive frontline and the Russians are making gains there daily.

    No bueno.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    So which of the western “allies” leaked the details of previous operations to Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Your un-educated and un-referenced wishful thinking opinion vs ISW report

    The Ukrainian operation in Kursk Oblast has already generated theater-wide operational and strategic pressures on Russian forces, and subsequent phases of fighting within Russia will likely generate even greater pressures on Putin and the Russian military. 

    The Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast has prompted the Russian military to redeploy up to 11 battalions from within Kursk Oblast and four Russian force groupings elsewhere in the theater to the frontline in Kursk Oblast so far.[14] US officials reportedly told the 

    New York Times

     in an article published on August 15 that Russia has committed reserves to Kursk Oblast that it otherwise would have committed to grinding offensive operations in eastern Ukraine in the coming months.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    In that sector of course unless Ukraine made another border incursion to bypass it. But where they've currently occupied they're far away from where that river goes which is up past LGOV NPP and just before Kursk city itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,726 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    one of these was seen crossing the border I'm sure in one of the pieces by either CNN or the Italian news crew last week..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,657 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Modi to visit Ukraine.

    India PM Modi to visit Ukraine, weeks after rebuking Putin in Moscow (msn.com)

    Details of the trip will be shared later in the day, the foreign ministry said, adding that he would also be visiting Poland. Indian media have reported that Modi is expected to visit the two countries, possibly from Aug. 21 to 23..

    Modi's Kyiv visit, Indian analysts say, would aim to control the damage from his trip to Moscow, which coincided with a lethal strike on a children's hospital in the Ukrainian capital, embarrassing him and drawing strong criticism from President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

    Modi made a highly publicised trip to Moscow on July 8-9 during which old friends India and Russia sought to boost bilateral trade and cooperation in areas ranging from nuclear energy to medicine.

    But the visit made headlines as it coincided with the strike on the hospital in Kyiv, prompting Modi to use emotive language to deliver an implicit, public rebuke to Putin at their summit.

    Modi told Putin that the death of innocent children was painful and terrifying and reiterated New Delhi's position that Moscow and Kyiv should resolve their conflict through dialogue and diplomacy, saying "solutions are not possible on the battleground".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭josip


    So do you think the bridge blowing over the Seym is to protect their left flank as they push on towards Lgov or part of a strategy to encircle Korenovo?

    Do you think they are hoping to get as far as the NPP? It would be a very exposed salient, and the NPP is almost certainly already re-enforced and defended strongly. Would they try to disable it or knock it offline?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭scottser


    No need to get sniffy with me, pal. It's not all sweetness and light for the Ukranian efforts.

    From the BBC:

    'In recent days, Russian troops have made some significant gains to the north-west of Donetsk.

    In response, Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the city of Pokrovsk, with a local military official telling residents that Russian forces were "rapidly approaching".

    Map showing Russian control of territory around Donetsk and their advance towards Pokrovsk

    The Russian advance towards Pokrovsk is the most notable change in control of the front line near Donetsk for several months.'

    This is a change from up-til-now expected slow grind of Russian advances, where we saw them take months to take a few Km of ground and useless bombed-out villages at the expense of thousands of troops daily. The fact is that Russia are making slow and steady progress, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The Russians were in Afghanistan for 10 years, and still could not control it, and in that time, Russia was bled white financially, to the point of bankruptcy. That and the US supplied weapons drove them out of Afghanistan, leaving everything behind except the transports that were used to take them back to Russia. And back then, it was the mighty USSR, not the Russia of today. Now just imagine the same situation, but in Ukraine this time…there will not be any 10 years of occupation, or anything like it. Presently they cannot even control the occupied parts of Donbas, let alone the whole of Ukraine. Russians will never rest easy in any part of Ukraine, inc. Crimea.And now, slowly but surely, despite Putin's best efforts to state the opposite, Russians are realising that the war is the cause of all their troubles, and once that attitude spreads, Putin will be in dire trouble back in the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Square meters vs square kilometres per day

    Once again as per daily ISW reports including the one in the post you have replied to and still have not read

    Post edited by thatsdaft on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You have a good point about Afghanistan

    But Think of a much more recent example of what they done in Chechnya with Chechens despite all the bad blood and two wars now fighting on Putin’s side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Either it's a double or Putttin got 4 litres of filler pumped into each cheek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I think for now they should focus on capturing that area south of those bridge's to protect their left flank but also add 600km squared of easily defended Russian land to their gains.

    After that they can focus everything on moving north or East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not quite,,,Kadyrov and his clan changed sides from fighting Putin to accepting his gold, and fight with him. But his own father was assassinated by Chechens precisely because of his stance towards Putin. Chechnya is ruled by the clan system, and now most of the other clans are anti Kadyrov. And as soon as Kadyrov loses Russian support….these clans will make their presence felt. It's for this reason that Putin uses Kadyrov's troops as barrier troops to stop Russians from retreating, because he knows that his Chechen "Friends" are friends in name only. So they lampooned as cowards and goat lovers, but they are not, they can and have fought vigorously in the past, but they will not willingly give their lives for Putin. And that explains why they are not too much involved in serious attacks against the Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,002 ✭✭✭yagan


    It also highlights the reliance on armies that could as quickly turn on Russia when there's more to gain.

    Nothing personal, just business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    A late summer offensive down south before the weather turns bad? Would stretch the Russians at two opposites of the frontline while their army focuses on attacking East Ukraine.



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