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Galway Commuter Rail: Galway-Athenry

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Clearance of vegetation has started alongside the railway track at the station, I presume preparing for the construction of the passing loop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Nearly four years after this thread started, and the planning application for a simple 1km of double track still hasn't been submitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Four years after this thread started, here is an update on the planned 1km passing loop:

    I now read that a reason for the delay in making the planning application is land acquisition.

    Hildegarde Naughton metions Sep 2024 for the submission of the planning application.

    Even though in Dec 2020 Senator Sean Kyne stated that IE controlled the land:

    https://seankyne.wordpress.com/2020/12/23/dual-tracking-and-oranmore-passing-loop/

    Four to five years, and the planning application isn't made yet, for just 1km of new track!!!!

    God Help Us.

    How will we ever have all intercity lines double-tracked and electrified?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,103 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    General rule of thumb, ignore anything uttered by a Senator.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Looks like Irish rail’s land ownership is often a mess. They have rights of way that they own, but farmers are squatting on it. They have rights of way where for some reason they still need planning permission. I can’t follow it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I'm pretty sure they can just apply for a CPO of the lands and after it is granted, sort out who gets paid for the land while they progress with the project. Disputed land ownership shouldn't hold things up, particularly when the lands will just be CPOed anyway if it is determined that IÉ don't already own the lands in question.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Agreed. CPO the land and build the project on it. Let the courts figure out who the payment for the land goes to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭OisinCooke


    They’d almost be better off at this stage to just apply for permission to double the whole line between Galway and Athenry… I know that this is a smaller project and much less likely to be publicly shot down, JR’d or even rejected by ABP, but the way I see it now, the 1km section of doubling and the new Oranmore platform will only be done by the time they realise they need to double the whole line as far as Athenry, so it makes more sense surely to do it as the one project immediately…!

    It would save on costs too, having to appoint just the one manager, only getting crews out for the one project rather than two, etc etc

    Perhaps not viable though, and I totally see the merit to doing these kinds of ‘small wins’ projects little and often, but it’s just struck me that it would probably make more sense and have much greater foresight (especially with the huge capacity upgrades they are doing to Ceannt Station at the moment) to just double the whole section of line from the get-go…



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    And while they are at it, get the O/H electric wires up as part of the project. It is about 20 Km through basically open countryside.

    That way, a Dart service of Galway to Athenry could be started. A 30 min service would be possible with just a few trains, and perhaps even a 20 min service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Id say a good guesstimate is its 10 years away. No joke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The IE plans have 2040 as the target for the double-tracking to Athenry.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    It's more a list of targets for the period 2031 to 2040. Realistically, anything that's not already in planning is unlikely to be finished by 2030, but could be early 2030s.

    Hopefully they will bring forward / prioritise a period of double tracking strategic sections all around Ireland. With additional train sets now coming online, the network will reach capacity in areas without sections of double track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    When you say extra trains, you are referring to the Alstom framework order? These are all for the GDA?

    Therefore, the only extra trains outside of countries Dublin, Louth and Kildare will be the 29000 class DMU, cascaded from the GDA to regional routes, as the Alstom electric trains arrive?

    So the max extra trains for routes outside of the GDA is 29 sets of 4-cars each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,857 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There are a significant number of 22000 sets currently operating services that will be operated by DART+ units

    All Hazelhatch commuter

    Some M3 Parkway

    Some Drogheda?

    Very small amount of Maynooth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Actually that's a good question, how many total individual sets that are still inside their operating lifespan will be freed up by Dart+ to cascade across the network?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭scrabtom


    Plus anything replaced by CACR down in Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Bsharp


    A fleet cascade plan is very much an ongoing consideration, a moving target though, no depot for Dart+ doesn't help with forward planning.

    Makes sense to electrify Dublin Cork as the the MKIV rolling stock used on the corridor is far along.

    A programme of modest capacity improvements across the intercity network would make a big difference as a next step. Need to get some confirmed funding for the programme, alot of ifs, buts and maybes at the minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It's the locomotives on Cork-Dublin that will force electrification, rather than the carriages. The carriages are from 2007 or so, but newest loco is coming up to 30 years old now. Given the typical lead time on any works here, now is the time to plan for replacing these train sets with electric rolling stock. New trains for Enterprise are out for tender at present, and that's very likely to be procured as a hybrid electric/diesel-electric set, as Dublin-border will be electrified during the new trains' operating life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭OisinCooke


    It took its sweet time but a planning application is finally being lodged for the 1km passing loop and 2nd platform at Oranmore. Interesting that the new platform will feature an underpass rather than a footbridge, definitely makes sense with the embankment but the thought hadn’t crossed my mind at all. The confirmation of the 1km of passing loop is clever too, much more flexibility with passing trains on the slow approach to the station

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/planning-permission-sought-oranmore

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭scrabtom




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Ireland trains


    https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2024/0926/1472142-connacht-transport/

    “Preliminary design and planning application preparation stages of the project", and associated approvals, have taken longer than originally forecast.”

    Article also says the plan was announced in May 2022 - could have sworn it was before that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    There is a thread on Boards from 2019 about this project:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Where are the other two images from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    With the same amount of rolling stock, will this passing loop allow more frequency of trains?

    Especially in the morning?

    By this I mean, without any cascade of stock from the GDA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭OisinCooke


    According to the report, it will allow for 2tph per direction so a 15 minute service frequency at the station in the morning peak is possible…?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, but is there enough stock to achieve that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    What does the refernce to "rail buffer" mean?

    2024_IE_Oranmore_passing_loop_planning_application.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Does that imply some sort of cul-de-sac of track?

    I don't understand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,734 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It means that, for operational flexibility, there will be a siding included as an extension of the loop.



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