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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I pretty much use twitter for public transport updates. I've never followed anyone ever. Everytime I open up twitter now it's some horrific video of someone being beaten to a pulp. I used to never see content like that.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A bit stupid to send a letter via x a few hours before Musk's chat, no idea what the point of mentioning Trump was at all.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,298 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The delightful Ryan George (Pitch Meetings Guy).

    his Elon is too stable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    @brickster69 Thanks for confirming my post (from politico) with a more reputable source (ft.com). Wondering if both spoke to the same EU Commission personnel?

    Main take away: - "On Tuesday the European Commission denied that Breton had approval from its president Ursula von der Leyen to send the letter."

    I wonder what position he will now be getting in the EU Commision now, or is he a scapegoated for not well planned out timing of the issuing of the letter, given the amount of feedback they got?

    Post edited by corkie on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    Musk interviewing sorry chatting with trump was like Swifties chatting with Taylor Swift.

    Harris campaign will love the sound bites of it.

    @Corkie have you tried clearing the Browser cache. You seem to be the only one having threat issues



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Harika I will try that the next time it happens, but reported in 'Bugs' thread, it happens to other threads as well. I'm not the only person to experience the bug. When threads cross the new page it takes at least 4 new posts in the page for the thread to unlock the page. On very active threads it probably goes unnoticed.

    Bluesky: ATProtoViewer ~ PWA + #Bookmarks + bsky share feature.
    ^^ My latest github pages experimental code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,954 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    no, they are not the only one. and not only only this thread. Just stopped mentioning issues as it doesnt seem to make a difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Elon Musk has clearly made Twitter immeasurably worse with his hands off approach to the racists and conspiracy theorists. It's actually worse than that though. It's not just the case that people are allowed to post pretty much whatever vile and false content that they want, Musk's Twitter actively incentivizes them to do so. That's because when people sign up to Twitter Blue they can become eligible to receive payments from Twitter if they "drive engagement".

    In other words if they can get a lot of viral tweets or tweets with a lot of comments then they can earn money. What drives engagement more than anything on social media? Anger, fear and resentment. What we now have is a cottage industry of grifters who are making it their business to post inflammatory things in the hope that they get lots of angry replies and quote tweets. If you go to any tweet on pretty much any topic you will see that the comments underneath (which show Twitter Blue accounts first, by design) will feature accounts that have very few actual followers tweeting out awful things. These people are basically on a fishing expedition.

    Essentially he has monetised trolling. The only bright spot is that apparently the actual payments have fallen off a cliff from the early days. You can actually see some of these accounts complaining about how their monthly payments have dropped off severely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    I know it is from last November or something like that? But been shared by a few accounts today. Even Musk has tweeted. Good that he can have fun with it. "Staying Alive".

    Try that again, think he deleted the tweet and reposted.

    I get that everyone's twitter experience is different based on algorithms. New accounts with no personalized feed to analyse are feed the most popular vile content. With not much effort, I seem to have curated my feed to see things I like. Don't see much vile content myself and I'm not saying it doesn't exist. So we all are probably in our own filter bubbles, of content.

    Don't get that paying subscription to service, you may get a payment back. Are they earning much back through it?

    Post edited by corkie on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In terms of cash flow, Twitter are unlikely to be making much cause their owner is using it as his political playground.

    Meanwhile there's been an FEC complaint that the interview was a violation of campaigning laws. Their comments on unions has also resulted in the teamsters turning on him which is great. 😂

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-trainwreck-elon-musk-interview-140431231.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭Harika


    What you earn depends on how much clicks/views you generate. Payout has declined a lot and 90% of the users were not getting anything. 9 dollars for every 1 million views, no payout of below 50 dollar. So you need 6 million views to get 4 dollar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Trump is still posting his rants on Truth Social whereas his Twitter account appears to have ceased posting again (apart from a couple of posts linking to his talk with Musk yesterday).

    Here's a fresh rant from this morning

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    I suspect that he doesn't even have Twitter on his own personal phone.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think he's under some kind of contractual obligation that everything has to go out on Truth Social first by 6hrs or something

    So many lies and flat out wrong information there..

    "Fascist stuff , the old Soviet Union" ??? Not sure Stalin was a Fascist…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Perhaps he had the Commie-Nazi's from that Simpsons joke in mind

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,889 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Don’t forget the porn. All the porn. First 50 replies to every half-interesting post is essentially a mass of porn bots posting stupid **** like “interesting”, “good”, etc. to generate clicks…kinda how that bellend of an owner posts actually…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭randd1


    Not so much Joe Rogan.

    People would have issues with some of his views, but an awful lot of his interviews are actually a good listen, and he has all sorts on his show, and for the most part he has fairly liberal views on things. He's the type of lad who could have Trump on his show one week, and Kamala Harris the next. He genuinely seems more interested in what people have to say because he's smart enough to know he's not that smart, and gives them free reign to do it. And some of the episodes, particularly the ones from physicists, sports people, comedians and war journalists, are just good shows. There's no harm in engaging with different viewpoints, which is what he does well.

    On the other hand, Musk and Trump are just narcissistic man-children that think they should be the masters of the world and are completely divorced from reality. Peterson is a once normal guy with decent arguments turned con-man who realized he can make serious money by sounding like a smart version of a right-wing nutjob to angry dumb sh!ts. The sooner them grifters die off, the better.

    And yes, tax the millionaires. Odd that when they used to tax the very wealthy, things were more affordable for everyone because they didn't have to tax the poor and middle class to afford public spending requirements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    Define 'Hate Speech'!

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/08/15/ireland-to-clamp-down-on-social-media-companies-refusing-to-remove-hate-speech

    • “Most of the tech companies probably will honour this new code of conduct from Coimisiúin na Mean because they will have to and it’s backed up by the Digital Services Act which is an EU-wide law with very large fines," Adrian Weckler, Technology Correspondent at the Irish Independent, said.
    • “There a few outliers which local politicians here in Ireland and across Europe up to and including European Commissioners have taken aim at. The notable one is X,” he added.

    If the UN can't decide https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/what-is-hate-speech

    However, to date there is no universal definition of hate speech under international human rights law.

    Are we to believe Ireland and EU Commision can finally put a definition on it? Concerning if they do, they will also be ones to enforce censorship and moderation of the platforms.

    Disclaimer: - Shared a tweet, not an endorsement of the 'X' account.

    Also could 'X' work without 'recommender systems'/algorithms?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41456017.html

    In January, a survey by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties found that 82% of Irish people want “big tech’s toxic algorithms switched off”.

    The NGO ICCL lobbying our politicians.

    Is this attack on social media by our and UK politicians, just a deflection from more serious matters?

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    ^^ My latest github pages experimental code.



  • Posts: 832 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd say most people just don't want to be force fed Elon Musk's dick for breakfast and would prefer the opportunity to not consent to being brain raped by him on a daily basis, for example by turning off the toxic algorithms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In relation to recommender systems, there's been huge demand for greater transparency on the underlying algorithms and how such feeds are determined. That's not just limited to civil rights groups. That's not just limited to social media, it includes Netflix, Spotify, Google etc. It's also a pretty important part of the DSA. Given the fact a recommender system on any platform can influence everyone so drastically means people should be allowed to gain a level of understanding of how it's determined.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    Elon got a community note on them!

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    That note didn't last long. Glad I screenshotted. Tweet.

    No one is forced to use the platforms. And interactions on the platforms decide what your given.

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    ^^ My latest github pages experimental code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And you can say that all you want but legally everything from Tesco to Spotify to Twitter will be expected to be far more transparent on the underlying decision making. It's an ethical issue and the EU are playing catch up ultimately. I'm guessing the likes of California will follow suit with similar laws and all platforms will be expected to follow them. And guess what, they all have to follow the laws in the locations they're operating in...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I'd agree that the non-political content is often quite good. The long form interview works really well and Rogan himself has a natural curiosity when it comes to things like astro-physics so he's never short of questions when interviewing experts in those fields.

    However I have to push back at the assertion that Rogan is even handed when it comes to politics. He's not. He's massively biased in one direction and has only gone more so in that direction in the last few years. Yeah he has the odd person on espousing liberal views but they're in the minority when it comes to political guests on the show.

    More often than not his guests are alt-right types (Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool) or in many cases outright grifters and conspiracy theorists (Alex Jones, Robert Malone). He likes nothing better than having someone on who he can have a moan with about how "woke" the world is now. When he does have people "from the left" on they are often conspiracy theory/grifter types (Jimmy Dore, Matt Taibbi) or whatever the hell Tulsi Gabbard is these days.

    I think the Pandemic broke him in a sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Rogan is a hack, he still thinks Alex Jones is some reputable source of information, he more or leas tried to rehabilitate him after the Sandy Hook publicity. He should be on every anti-drug advertisement going. There should be a bullibility scale named after him.

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-joe-rogan-talks-authenticity-joe-biden-s-state-of-the-union-address-amid-allegations-pre-recorded-speech



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭francois


    Fortune on X's financial position, and potential trouble for Tesla stock

    https://fortune.com/2024/08/15/elon-musk-tesla-stock-sale-twitter-x-advertiser-boycott-finances-bradford-ferguson/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Elon Musk is attempting to sue advertisers for not wanting to advertise on his platform.

    Accounts like this one (with 95k followers) pumping out pro-Hitler propaganda are the reason that no reputable company wants their adverts appearing there:

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    And don't fool yourself into thinking that Musk's Twitter isn't aware of this account, after all it's one of millions on the platform right? Wrong. This account posted the following tweet

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    Twitter users reacted collectively and added a Community Note

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    Somebody in Twitter decided to remove that Community Note.

    So somebody in the company had a look at that account and thought "This all seems fine, and I'm actually going to side with them on this and effectively encourage them to push out even more Nazi-loving content".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Brussels Sprout Why are you giving the accounts crap content more views by sharing here?

    I'm certainly not going to verify/confirm the accounts content by going to look at it myself. Don't want the algorithms feeding more of the same crap. Hope you have alternative accounts, because I sure wouldn't like to see your feed?

    Community notes don't seem to stay up long. You have effectively proved that there is vile content on the platform, but we all know that, without the need to see it?

    https://htxt.co.za/2024/07/xs-reluctance-to-remove-content-has-reportedly-upset-the-eu/

    Last year the Centre for Countering Digital Hate conducted a study and found that antisemitism, racism, neo-Nazism, and white supremacy were flourishing on X and vile content remained on the platform long after it was reported. While X argues that few people see this content thanks to the aforementioned moderation policy, that’s simply not good enough as content not being removed emboldens those posting it and the content gets more extreme.

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    ^^ My latest github pages experimental code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Cause Elon Musk is fine with the recommender system actively promoting Nazis. Most platforms would be actively banning Nazis but Twitter is actively receiving subscriptions from such individuals and seems to be happy to do so. That's more than simply vile content being present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I like Rogan's interviews with people such as Amazon conservationist, Paul Rosolie, but the thing that Rogan has been pulled up on before was having his show being considerably more weighted towards guests of a right-wing political bent. It also seems like he was a lot more amenable to criticising Joe Biden than Donald Trump, like the time he mistakenly believed that Biden mentioned airports while talking about the American revolution, and commented on his mental acuity, only then to be told it was actually Trump who said it, and Rogan just laughed it off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,917 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Not to mention the time he said his friend's wife was a teacher in a school where they had to put a litter tray in the girls bathrooms because a student there identified as a cat.

    Which turned out to be something Fox News were trying to claim was happening in numerous schools but turned out to actually be schools having littertray-type stuff in their classrooms in case people are trapped there for an extended amount of time in the event of a school shooting (because America). So Fox News backtracked and stopped mentioning it, and when Rogan was asked about it he mentioned he was trying to get clarification from his friend's wife but she actually no longer worked at that school and couldn't get in contact with anyone who still worked there.

    Rogan is an absolute idiot. The trouble is he used to know that and could actually have decent conversations with people where he tried to learn more about something. But the more popular he got the more he thinks he's the smart one, and his research (aka google until you find something interesting and already aligns with your own opinion) is comparable to actual facts.



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