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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The use of nuclear weapons is such a potentially existential matter that it's likely Russia would only use them if the country were literally about to fall.

    He can call Ukraine's latest move a provocation as much as he likes, but he knows as well as everyone else does that Ukraine are as entitled as one can be to push into Russia since his forces have pushed into Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,629 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Calm down.

    Putin couldn’t even come to call this for what it was “an invasion of Russia itself” (which itself would be admitting that annexed regions are not Russia and telling the Russian people he failed at the one job he has)

    And called it a “counter terrorism” operations with the military now removed and FSB put in charge as per yesterday’s ISW report



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The question which needs to be asked is the makeup of that 50,000. If it was primarily convicts, ethnics and foreign mercs, then Putin couldn't give a fcuk. He'll throw that at the front line all day.

    It also seems that punishing, numbers-based attrition warfare is sort of worshipped in Russian culture, given how central the sacrifices of WW2 are in their history. Maybe it plays into the whole 'Russia is big' mythos, despite having a population of 140 million. Lot of people, but far from inexhaustible and doubly so when you consider that only some of this number can go to war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,267 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The benefit is not so much in "getting people to actually do something" as creating a viable alternative narrative that either paralyses the decision makers - who are going to get phone calls from families wanting their guys returned - or pushes them in the wrong direction.

    Right now, we're seeing the effect of that in respect of Kursk. On the one hand, you have a bunch of Russian bloggers in a blind panic because they saw a single Ukrainian tank half a kilometre down the road; on the other, you have the hard-core Kremling butt-suckers talking about how a gigantic horde of "hohols" were vaporised by the mighty Red Army.

    In the middle, you have local politicians traipsing from house to house trying to get pensioners to evacuate "to safety" because they know they can't count on the Kremlin to protect them (might even bomb their own because … ya know, Kremlin) … and at the same time, you have Ukrainian forces cruising down the undefended highways, with enough time (and confidence) to stop and ask a couple of babushkas if they need help carrying their shopping.

    With each passing day, this does indeed look like a "Prigozhin-2.0" challenge to the All-Seeing-Eye-of-Putin - only this time, the cavalcade is backed up with serious anti-Kremlin firepower and (subject to confirmation!) a determination to hold whatever ground they take.

    From a political strategy point of view, Ukraine doesn't need to take any major cities in the Kursk or Belgorod regions: their mere presence in a huge swathe of territory along the "wrong" side of the border is an almight poke in the eye for Putin, especially if the local residents decide that life is no different (or even better) under the new regime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Even this lad isn't denying Ukraine's presence in certain areas.

    What's interesting is the direction of travel (coming from Belaya). Very close to the Kursk/Belgorod border at that stage. And from a doom merchant poster on twitter to a more (perhaps overly) optimistic one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    If comments were only allowed that provide new insight this thread would be a lot slower than it is. You're just being petty and belligerent with your pointless sniping for the sake of it. I won't waste any more time discussing it with you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It turns out that BTR was captured by the Russians so they're well in control of the area around giri.

    I've read another report that Russians are finally in control of Sudzha which I hope is true this time. I think Ukraine will dig in here and it'll become the frontline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,629 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Why do you want the Russians in control of Sudzha?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    As RoyalCelt said. There's another vid that appears to show this is a captured piece of kit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Putin must be so frustrated. He took Crimea so easily, he must have felt Ukraine would be defeated within weeks, that the West would huff and puff, but sanctions would pass relatively quickly. Now he finds himself an international pariah, under massive pressure.

    He could have lived a very content life, but he just bit off more than he could chew and Russia has actually been invaded now. It's a hellish vision for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Ukrainians 😂

    But yeah I seen that BTR initially reported as Ukrainian from pro Ukraine telegram sources but later confirmed as Russian captured as a closer video was taken. Who knows it could be Ukrainian soldier's dressed as Russians but I doubt it.

    Just read this however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭riddles


    I read somewhere the war was costing Russia 300m€ a day. Given the impact of sanction, damage to oil refineries and gas has this figured increased. Add in interest rates of 18% and chronic inflation surely that figures jumped by a lot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,727 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    And even rumours alone about the AFU being spotted here/there will be enough to sow even more panic amongst the locals as well as the defending RU forces… make them suspicious of everyone… There were rumours spreading last week that the AFU were disguising themselves as priests..

    AFU special forces even covertly painting a few triangles on Russian equipment could be enough to start RU on RU attacks amid the total confusion & incompetence in which they seem to operate

    You'd like to think they have a long term plan here, to maybe try and hold onto some of the Kursk oblast for a few weeks/months, let the Russians expend untold amounts of men/equipment to slowly claw it back, and when it looks like Russia finally have it back, pull out while simultaneously opening a new front somewhere else on the border…. all the while easing some of the pressure on the frontlines in Eastern Ukraine.

    Probably better for all concerned for Russians to just die in Russia as opposed to dying in Ukraine… probably spares a bit of paperwork too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Are these troop movements being hit/targeted at all? Haven't seen anything about it or the AFU trying to move in on the remaining troops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Long article but a decent read -

    Russia Has the Resources for a Long War in Ukraine - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

    The Russian authorities are extremely unlikely to choose to cut military spending in order to maintain previous levels of domestic consumption. The economy is destined to become more and more militarized, even if that results in stagnating or falling real incomes. Still, this is unlikely to cause real problems for the regime. Firstly, standards of living would still remain relatively high: certainly, they have a long way to fall until they reach what they were in the Soviet period, not to mention the destitution of the early 1990s. Secondly, growing repression, the embrace of an avowedly militant and nationalistic state ideology, and attacks on free speech have helped the authorities keep a lid on dissent at home. In an extreme case, they can easily crush any public expressions of opposition. The only real risk is if the salary levels of employees of the security apparatus and military personnel fall below current levels—but the authorities have resources to ensure that this does not happen.

    In other words, Russia will be able to maintain military spending for a relatively long time, just like other pariah countries. This is bad news for Ukraine, ordinary Russian citizens, people living in neighboring countries, and the overall global security environment.

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    This is why when Ukraine started hitting Russian product capacity collective Western voices started piping up. Cheap oil is still a desirable goal for Western economies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Guaranteed… like clockwork… "I'm just wondering…"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Source, Russian Fossil tracker.

    Any source within the ballpark of credibility?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The figures don’t look right, vast majority of Russian gas exports were by pipelines to Europe with not much in eastern direction due to distances involved

    their LNG was always a small fraction, literally lacking much in way of LNG facilities and only this week a second “shadow” lng ship was acquired by them

    Trying to find that German site which keeps up to date gas volumes on all pipelines coming into Europe

    Edit; here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    And the cost will go up with the frontline expanding into Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    There's still no upside to Putin in using nuclear weapons, so I think it's still very unlikely.

    He must be hugely frustrated though, the whole thing has been an epic miscalculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    For an offensive that Russians claimed was stopped, things sure just keeps getting worse

    lol Putin doesn’t want to hear numbers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    A total farce,Goebbels is alive and well it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Closer to Hitler's not being able to understand the collapse of the German front. Putin's lost his swagger. He must feel very vulnerable right now… from his own side.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    The only thing he might do is call for full mobilisation. Say we're being invaded and we need to protect the motherland. It's a possibility and just silly as Russia started this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    In many ways, its another example of the really high levels of tactical nous and ability to adapt to conditions by the UAF. It's been obvious since day 2 of Putin's "special military operation" that the Russian forces are a shambles, poorly led, slow to react and hugely reliant on superiority of numbers and artillery… any time those advantages have been reduced they've been spanked by the Ukrainians. But as long as that fight was taking place on Ukrainian soil, the gains for Ukraine were minimal. So this last week has seen them sidestep Putin's choice of battleground to put on a demonstration elsewhere. It's looking more and more like the Ukrainians are planning to simply lead the Russians on a violent, destructive wild goose chase in their own back yard as the Russians struggle to figure out how to hit back effectively at a mobile, efficient, well equipped, lightweight, fast moving, motivated and disciplined fighting force. The Ukrainians just need to keep moving, ensuring a clear line of retreat available at all times, and hobble the Russians as they try to engage in exactly the same way they have been doing in Ukraine.

    Their leading Putin's boys on a merry dance, showing just what an emperor with no clothes he is. Bravo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,267 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Not to mention that the Russian commanders' preferred tactic of "bomb the beejayzuz out of them first" is unlikely to be widely supported by the local civilian population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭Private Joker


    A very good point. This is possibly what Ukraine want, it is something Putin avoided, at least publically and has the potential to destabilise his grip on power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Exactly… to use a chess analogy… "check…"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I assume the longer this goes on the more chance Putin falls out a window ?



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