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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 81,162 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Mod

    I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct thread banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭JimmyChew


    Is it fair to say after recent developments that a tactical nuclear strike by RuZZia is now off the table as an option for Putin? I mean this is the biggest of many steps across this red line that he spoke about.

    Hear me out..

    NATO would have had to have a big say in this operation and they would have had their intelligence on what the possible/likely outcomes could be and they surely gave the green light. Its highly unlikely Ukraine would have done a solo run here without the say so of the "Allies" so in turn NATO, not wanting to see Article 5 triggered by a tactical nuke strike gave the thumbs up?

    I know it was a lot of sabre rattling by Putin over the last few years RE mass destruction weapons but we just never knew where they were at. Now that Ukraine have taken the fight to RuZZian soil & "threatened their sovereignty" and they still haven't unleashed their reported tactical nuke weapons are we confident they either cant or wont any time soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,219 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I'd agree with the good and bad for Ukraine. Whilst the Ukrainian invasion was a great morale booster from their point of view, it heaps pressure on Russia/Putin to respond in a way that will (a) reclaim the lost area and then some, and (b) give Russia a similar morale/propaganda boost. This is worrying as Putin would have to do something overly drastic to ensure the win and ensure that it has the necessary panache to dissuade future Ukrainian invasion and quell any potential concern for his leadership. Chemical weapons & leaning more on Lukashenko to get Belarus directly involved are potentially on the table. Best course of action in my (completely militarily unqualified) view would be to mine the pockets they invade and pull back to their borders creating buffer zones - Only one side could sustain the invasion(s) long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    I think the Ukrainian Special Military Operation is an overwhelmingly positive occurrence.

    Russia in its seething arrogance has committed its entire capability to Ukraine, never pausing to think they could be on the receiving end themselves. We are reminded of Bomber Harris commenting on Germany.

    The world now sees Russia as being a spent force and all they have left are these fictional nuclear bombs, which even if a handful of them do actually exist and are actually capable of launching, will never be used.

    It is time for the unwilling hostages in the Russian Federation to claim their independence.

    It is time for Russia to be soundly defeated, occupied, demilitarised, dismantled and its war criminals to be rounded up to face justice.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I'm not sure why you call it a distraction - Ukraine are opening up another front. They obviously have the capacity to do it and it is a smart move. When people talk about how Ukraine is prepared to give up land in order to cause maximum losses to Russia, by attacking where Russia is weak they will also cause substantial Russian losses. The ultimate aim is to bring the Russian armed forces to a point of failure, and the Kursk attack is testing the Russians in a number of areas.

    Ukraine are seizing the momentum because, even though as you say Russia can't keep this up long term, Ukraine have to demonstrate that they can take the initiative whenever they want. The idea would be that rather than wait 3 years for a grinding victory over Russia, they would rather have the war end earlier.

    Not saying that this will be a point of critical failure for Russia, but this is the type of thing can can bring it about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,342 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So is this war going to turn into another Vietnam where it will drag on for years on end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    NATO missed this memo...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,092 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    How many soldiers are in a ukranian brigade?
    Do we know how many brigades have invaded Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Repo101


    It's a distraction as it has yet to be seen whether or not Ukraine will be able to sustain any territory in Russia. If they can then it could be a game changer. The difference in a tangible move and a distraction will ultimately depend on the outcome. Right now, I would suspect this is short term. Ukraine won't be able to supply troops if they try and cut deeper into Russia. In my opinion it's not sustainable other than creating a distraction and moving men and weapons away from the front on both sides.

    Even if it is short term, should Ukraine use this as a means to push Russia back at the front then it would obviously be a massive success but I suspect we would need to see more territory along the border taken for Russia to have to massively recalibrate in a way that gives Ukraine the initiative at the front.

    As for the war of attrition, when I say one side can win, that is Russia as they have more weapons and more men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    at least 4 brigades, 6000 people reported yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Deub


    A distraction would have been Ukraine going there and being pushed back within few hours. I mean, we are talking about a country that claimed to have a strong and unlimited soldiers.

    How come after 4 days, Ukraine is still going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I will just park this here.

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    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Not sure. Alot could depend on this US election in November. Harris and in particular Walz have shown much support for Ukraine and will continue to support them. It would be fantastic if they gave more support than Biden, the country easily has the capacity to do so. Congress will be the deciding factor again. Most suspect Trump will pull support but im not 100% convinced. More than likely yes, but he is a wildcard. The brass of the military might convince him how its in Americas interest to continue support. The US is getting incredible value for money in funding Ukraine in taking down a competing world power. If Trump does pull support, the EU might pick up some of the slack. If Trump wanted to be a super dick about it he could limit the EU owned US weaponry that they want to forward on to Ukraine. If that happens Ukraine will be in a very very difficult situation. It also depends on Germany and France wanting to give support, which is no guarantee either.

    Then again, the Russian economy could collapse tomorrow, who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,092 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Where are you getting that info from do ya mind me asking?
    Im reading brigades are 1000 in strength and other sources are saying Ukrainian brigades can be up to 5k in strength, so possibly 10k soldiers?

    Hard to know who to believe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Seems to be up to 10k now references here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2024_Kursk_Oblast_incursion

    I posted tweet few pages back that Russians initially claimed 1000, and then 4 different brigade patches were seen from video and photos coming out, including a video of them driving over abandoned border post

    Could very well that Ukrainians themselves are surprised at the success and now pouring more men in as this is ending up a Turkey shoot of untrained Russians who line up literally on roads to be ambushed and killed

    Todays ISW report talks about “significant” Russian redeployments from south and east (which itself makes this a huge success in short term)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,796 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "

    As for the war of attrition, when I say one side can win, that is Russia as they have more weapons and more men.

    "

    Spoken like a true putin fanboy. You have taken note that the invasion of Ukraine by putin's terrorists has not been going very well for them and they have lost huge quantities of their trained military forces and equipment?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,254 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Pretty sure it's in Ukraine's interest right now to put out many conflicting reports of exactly how many soldiers are involved in this incursion in order to confuse the Russians and make them entirely unsure how much resources to commit.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Russia may have more weapons, but they are inferior weapons. They may have a larger population, but they don't have the same amount of dedicated and professional volunteers that Ukraine have.

    So Russia will send wave after wave of mobilised troops, mercenaries, duped immigrant workers and prisoners at the Ukranians using cold war era and North Korean equipment and munitions. How you figure from that that Russia is the only side that can win is utterly beyond me.

    But then again, maybe you have sources of information that are not available to me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,092 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Absolutely agree.
    However I’m looking for stats on how many are in a Ukrainian brigade usually.
    seems to be conflicting info.
    Or is it that a brigade is a brigade regardless of country?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Well it's a great distraction isn't it?

    Yesterday's equipment losses -

    Then there's also the abandoned Russian equipment from fleeing forces that Ukraine have managed to get. I've not seen as much detail in terms of munitions acquired but stuff like this

    Ukrainian Forces Capture Valuable Russian T-72B3 Tanks (msn.com)

    One particularly notable find is an abandoned T-72B3 tank near the town of Sudzha. This model, equipped with advanced thermal imaging cameras, represents a significant loss for the Russian military.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Who makes this stuff up 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    you would think only an actual sociopath could do that but russian society seems to breed large numbers of people with sociopathic behaviour. Sociopaths is considered genetic but russian society makes me think it might not be the case considering the high numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Mike3549




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,629 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Just going by the track record of Kyiv, Sumi, Kharkov and Kherson, once Ukriane liberste a region they do not give it up again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Oh yes, that too. I think fighterbomber or whatever its called confirmed that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,957 ✭✭✭threeball


    This is exactly what I was on about earlier. If they play their cards right it could be a turkey shoot. The Russian's are scooting around just above the tree line and there for the taking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Not exactly a 1:1 analogy though, as Russia isn't Ukraine, invaders probably equally unwelcome in both countries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Fascinating how some pro Russian posters are trying to frame this as “Kiev trying to hold territory in Russia” with zero evidence for such a claim

    when it’s quite clear the aims of this are to

    • Draw troops from Donbas, happening as per ISW
    • Cause mayhem and political difficulties for Putin, he is looking like a right cuck this week, and his generals probably more worried about their own lives than what’s happening in Kursk
    • Use maneuver warfare and ambushes to kill as many Russian soldiers and equipment as possible as these are not in prepared defences and disorganised, evidence of this time and time again from destroyed columns to planes and helicopters shot down


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