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Olympic Games Paris 2024 - AH Thread [Thread banned posters listed in first post.]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭sonic85


    God this break dancing is some rubbish. Are there no other actual sports Rte could show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭sonic85


    I don't think they've showed any weight lifting. I love watching that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Annoyed that RTE are giving time to this tripe - First time I’ve been annoyed at their coverage of the Olympics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ZedCar


    And it is a repeat. They showed it last night aswell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Thank goodness for Eurosport. The canoe racing, weightlifting, sports climbing are all live now and RTE are showing a repeat of dancing. Embarrassing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Exactly. Nobody is desperate to win it. Everyone is desperate to win a major.

    If you've to win it to care about it, then it doesn't matter. You've proven yourself wrong.

    Is it tiring always having an alternative and different opinion? I'd find that exhausting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    Australia must be cringing at that performance

    36 year olds should have grown up!



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,372 ✭✭✭✭Zaph




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Hold My Hand


    Forget the volleyball, I’m beginning to think the wall climbing event is the hottest looking activity at the Olympics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Imane Khelif won. Unsurprisingly.

    Imane Khelif, the 25-year-old Algerian whose DNA tests have shown the male pattern of XY chromosomes, has swept all the way to the women’s welterweight title after dismantling four successive opponents in four utterly one-sided contests. The outcome of which the International Olympic Committee had for so long been warned – that an overwhelming focus on inclusion could remove fair sport for women – has finally come to pass.

    Now we have Lin Yu-Ting in the 57kg category to "look forward" to this evening. If, as predicted, Julia Szeremeta loses, that will be two out of the six gold medals in women's boxing which will have gone to boxers with XY chromosomes. Which at the very least should raise serious questions about how such a tiny minority of the population can be so over-represented in Olympic gold medal winners.

    I say "should" because it has become clear that many people involved in the highest levels of sport don't actually care about protecting women's sports, or women's interests. Thomas Bach, at yesterday's closing conference, said both that there is no scientific way to identify males from females, and that Lin and Khelif are definitely women. Both those claims cannot be true, but he wasn't queried on that by any of the journaliasts present.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Theres no reliable source to say she has XY chromozones. The IBA have not released details of the test. She meets all IOC guidelines.

    Nothing to see here but misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    They can’t release details of the tests unless either boxer appeals the decision which neither did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,220 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    For sure.

    A helpful poster on the thread gave me the heads up last week to watch it on Eurosport and the coverage has been top class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭bren2001


    The above poster has made a claim they have XY chromozones. They have no evidence to support that. We have no idea how they failed the test and what the test was. There's nothing stopping the IBA releasing testing frameworks.

    They meet the IOC rules.

    Both didn't appeal due to the prohibitevly high costs of CAS. One did appeal but withdrew for the reason above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    A few points you've ignored in your haste to do a "Move along please" on this:

    First on the tests themselves: the results cannot be released by the IBA because the boxers concerned have sent legal letters to prevent the IBA from releasing them. They could of course be released by the boxers concerned, or new tests be done, if they really believe that the results are wrong.

    The lab tests were not carried out by the IBA but by independent labs, in two different countries, and as a result, both boxers were DQed from the world championships which they had been expected to win. This was done as a result of complaints from the other teams' coaches.

    They have neither appealed the decisions to the independent CAS arbitration process, nor contested their disqualifications.

    All of which implies very strongly that there indeed something "to see here".

    Second point: the IOC guidelines are a passport check. That's insufficient, for a number of reasons, but one obvious one is that when Bach said that no science allows us to tell what is a woman, what on earth makes him think that a summary visual inspection of a newborn baby is a reliable test?

    Third, and most importantly, if it is impossible to tell what's a man and what is a woman, why bother with male and female categories at all? It's a complete contradiction. Either the existence of a protected female category in boxing is important for safety and fairness, or it is not. Which is it?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I usually enjoy watching the weight lifting, a strangely intriguing spectator sport, but alas it it didn't seem to feature in RTE or BBC coverage. But otherwise the climbing as a relatively new sport was excellent, the brutal physicality and problem solving required for the boulder and lead makes for a really tense competition.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,555 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Utterly one-sided? media hyped exaggerated nonsense to try make this out to be as scandalous as possible. Last night’s fight, for example was quite close and was very competive. It was unanimous, but no way whatsoever one-sided. And Not remotely close to a “man” v a woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    It really doesn't matter how close the fights are. It's down to whether an opponent has an unfair advantage . I'm not saying kelif had as I really don't know nor do most of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,023 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Peter Collins: "We hope to show you some women's subpar golf."

    Subpar indeed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭sonic85


    Why aren't they showing anything live - there's loads of competitions at the business end now and instead they're showing highlights of stuff that's over and done with

    They showed highlights of this game last night FFS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭sonic85


    Boards went mental there for a bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,079 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Supposedly a college professor aswell. Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭gipi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,669 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    2nd placed golfer is on -4 for today thru 6 holes. -8 for the tournament.

    That's sub par golf surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,555 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    when you’re reading stories from supposedly professional journalists describing contests as utterly one-sided to push this sensational cheating claim/angle, and when you’re reading about people claiming a man is beating up women, of course it matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,508 ✭✭✭bren2001


    You stated they have XY chromozones, there's zero evidence to support that. Care to link to proof of that? Of course not because it doesn't exist. Just misinformation.

    You've no idea what the IBA test was and of all associations, the IBA are not one I'm going to trust.

    They didn't appeal because the can't afford CAS. It's expensive.

    Just pure misinformation from yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    They didn't appeal because the can't afford CAS. It's expensive.

    Evidence for this please? They chose to do without the World championship prize money rather than appeal the results, so this seems an odd kind of logic, to say the least. A bit like a potential champion fighter doing without a coach because they're too expensive.

    Or are you just making stuff up?

    (And as i said previously, the IBA did not do the tests, two separate and independent labs carried them out. So this is a red herring.)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    What motive would the IBA have had for banning these two athletes in particular? They’re not exactly a reputable entity but what’s to be gained by banning what were at the time two mediocre boxers?

    Are you in favour of DSD athletes who present as female taking part in combat sports against women?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    And when the boxers concerned could remove all doubt in 5 minutes by agreeing to publish their results (or doing new ones) but choose not to, and to prevent the IBA or media outlets from doing so, then it's a reasonable suspicion to have. Remember ow long Lance Armstrong kept the "suspicions" about him at bay with threats of legal action?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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