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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • #3902
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Leigh halfpenny has signed for harlequins



  • #3903
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,811 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Cityam.... Nah.



  • #3904
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447916#Comment_122447916

    Same lads who were the only ones reporting on Sexton's investigation and potential ban to be fair. It is a bloody weird paper that clearly has one odd contact somewhere deep in rugby.



  • #3905
    ionadnapóca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447640#Comment_122447640

    Here, here!!

    It would be a great pleasure to hear if the Welsh and Scottish are hoppin mad.

    Hope the tournament never happens. Although I would like a watered down version (Emerging Ireland type) in the US.



  • #3906
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449096#Comment_122449096

    Agreed - The tournament itself was a stupid idea , looking to host it in the Middle East was just offensive.



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  • #3907
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Kolisi looking to leave R92 early



  • #3908
    FACECUTTR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    Looks like the Sharks are interested in him returning.



  • #3909
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,268 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Mike Catt heading to the Waratahs (this might have been known previously but I think it's news to me)

    https://twitter.com/NSWWaratahs/status/1820276978911781092?t=wKYNEz0HUiAU3ijslpHZTw&s=19


  • #3910
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    ...

    https://twitter.com/nickheathsport/status/1820495094711275685?t=j2ei0tEyJ5VXYffBTQK3RQ&s=19


  • #3911
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Never thought I’d see the day, next to Croke Park I thought it was probably the most untouchable stadium name in the world.

    I mean not even “Allianz Twickenham”. The trouble is, Allianz title sponsor eight other stadiums, including two that are also named “Allianz Stadium”. (Though Saracens ground is no longer among them, which is probably just as well).



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  • #3912
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,407 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122467491#Comment_122467491

    Yeah was thinking why they couldn't just name it 'Allianz Twickenham Stadium' like Cork GAA do here for PUC

    Will always be 'Twickenham' to the fans



  • #3913
    FtD v2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457102#Comment_122457102

    Yet another prime example of a highly touted Springbok moving overseas and then just mailing it in and giving what looked like virtually zero effort.



  • #3914
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,281 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447962#Comment_122447962

    City AM is a strange publication. I had reason to keep an eye on it for work and it's actually pretty good. Does good summaries on some niche topics in legal, business and finance. Usually pretty good.

    Thoughts on the new rules in the rugby championship?

    20 minute red card,

    Clock for scrums, line outs and penalties

    No sacking the scrum half.

    I imagine the clocks will be good and red card and scrum half rules will take an adjustment but will be fine before long.



  • #3915
    FtD v2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122469830#Comment_122469830

    I hate the 20 min red card, just disagree with it and think it sends a bad message.

    On the others:

    Very much in favour of the set piece clock - just seems logical.

    Get the logic of not allowing the sacking of SHs too.

    There was another change you omitted I think: the refs are not going to whistle line out throws that aren't straight if uncontested by the opposition - I'm very much in favour of this rule too.



  • #3916
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,281 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122469901#Comment_122469901

    Oh yeah I'm fine with the crooked throw in unopposed line outs. Just play on.

    The 20 minute red card is the big one. I'll have to see it in action before making a decision. I suspect it will be fine overall.

    I wonder if the number of red cards will increase since the overall penalty to the team has been reduced. I doubt it woukd be a dramatic increase but I suspect there will be an increase.



  • #3917
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    "20 minute red cards" is one of, if not the worst, rule changes in recent memory.

    Being reduced to 14 men for 20 minutes is not a reasonable punishment for potentially taking out another teams key player. You could play 79 minutes without your star player due to injury whilst the opposition only suffers for 20 minutes. It's farcical.



  • #3918
    Jacovs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    On the flip side, your star player could go to tackle someone and accidentally make head contact, earning him a red card by the letter of the law, after the first minute, then your own player is sent off for 79 minutes and the game is over as a contest.

    Other team's player is fine and continues on.

    Needs a balance.



  • #3919
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122469972#Comment_122469972

    Deliberate and dangerous acts are still full red cards.

    The 20 minute red card is a great concept and removes the only inequitable sanction in the game.



  • #3920
    testtech05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭testtech05


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470002#Comment_122470002

    it will be interesting to see how it will be policed and how they decide something is deliberate or not. Will wait and see it in action I think.



  • #3921
    FtD v2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470002#Comment_122470002

    Yeah, but adjudicating on "deliberate" acts is very very difficult in the pressure cooker situation of a ongoing game.



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  • #3922
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470002#Comment_122470002

    Guaranteed it'll be used as a cop out in big games by some referees.

    If something is red card worthy, then it's a red card and they're gone from the pitch. Use the bunker system if required to analyse it and keep it at a yellow if it's not red card worthy, but having three sets of cards is frankly stupid.

    If I'm not mistaken, this all stems from a desire to "retain the spectacle" of the game which tells you everything you need to know - don't punish players if possible because the game might then be boring.



  • #3923
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470001#Comment_122470001

    "Accidental" head contact isn't a red card though.

    If you start in too high a tackle position then it isn't accidental, it's reckless.

    Anything truly accidental is already mitigated to a yellow.



  • #3924
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470064#Comment_122470064

    fair point, but to me its there to cover those fouls which were clear red cards "back in the day" ie gouging, punching, stamping etc, general scumbag behaviour. We saw two red cards for the fijian drua in a game against the rebels this season, and id imagine its those kind of actions which will be viewed as full red cards under this variation.

    Those more "technical" ones, like say Tom Curry on the Argentina in the RWC which is down to a mixture of timing, technique and dynamism, then im all for the 20 min red card.

    Lets not forget, red cards almost didnt exist in the game up until the late 2010s. There has only ever been 20 red cards in the six nations, and only 6 of those occured pre-2020. The game sanctions are changing all the time to becoming more and more strict (something we all should agree on, and in the main, think we do) but the actual sanctions available to the referees are still as they were when introduced in 1995 (sin bin came in in 1999). The range of fouls, and how they are refereed, has increased exponentially since then, so i see this as a method to also increase the range of sanction available to refereeing team.



  • #3925
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I just can't get behind the 20-Minute red card at all.

    I don't see a material difference between reckless and deliberate for high tackles , tackles in the air etc.

    Last second change of height/direction etc. is already covered with the mitigation rules so "accidental" is covered

    "I didn't bother to make an effort to tackle properly" isn't really different to "I went high deliberately" in my book.

    I couldn't give a toss about impacting the "spectacle" or the "contest" , reducing the sanction for foul play to protect either of those things is utterly wrong.



  • #3926
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,811 ✭✭✭OldRio


    20 minute red cards pander to those who choose not to tackle properly. Let's reward foul play. Madness.



  • #3927
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470480#Comment_122470480

    But if it's a red card, it's a red card. If something is not quite a red card, that's what the yellow card is for. And if it's in-between, empower the bunker system to make a decision.

    How can anyone tell 100% of the time what's deliberate and what's not? And what's to stop players playing on the edge knowing that once it doesn't look deliberate, the risk isn't as high as it was. The law lowers the punishment for being reckless.

    "SANZAAR explain that the rationale behind this variation is that the individual, not the game, is punished for red card offences." - Which is an absolute load of BS.



  • #3928
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Am I right in saying that under the 20-minute red card , the player sent off cannot come back on the field but is replaced by a sub?

    Or do they get to come back?



  • #3929
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470652#Comment_122470652

    Replaced by a sub.



  • #3930
    sprucemoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470606#Comment_122470606
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470627#Comment_122470627
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470643#Comment_122470643

    100% agree on this, its an absolute cop out. either tackle lower or hit higher and take risk of getting a red. when head injuries are as serious as they are, the game should be doing absolutely everything it can to mitigate risk as much as possible but this is going backwards



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  • #3931
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470002#Comment_122470002

    Yeah that's my understanding too. A ref can give a straight red and that means the team is down a man for the rest of the match. If the ref seems it meets YC threshold, then it goes to bunker for review and can be upgraded to a 20 minute red. I like it.

    What if a player gets a second yellow? Is it a 20 minute red or the full match?



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