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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You can complain all you want, if the city had a cycle lane you would complain about having a cycle lane.

    It's not a fact by the way, it's your opinion. Thats not a fact

    You gave one example and ignored all the finished cycle lanes.

    You said they had no plan, they have a plan, now you complain about the plan. Starting to see a pattren here arn't we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You literally replied to my post which contains pictures from today of co2 figures for countries that use nuclear vs Ireland whose wind did next to nothing and whose CO2 figure don’t even come near France or Finland even on the windiest of days

    I backed up my opinion with hard facts from real life for today and even posted screenshots to back it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    "if the city had a cycle lane you would complain about having a cycle lane" that's some Barstool Blather even for you..

    All the finished cycle lanes that don't join up and are rarely ever used.. but don't worry, there's a plan.. 2042 here we come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Those carbon figures would be higher too if ~20% of our power wasn't imported



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Wait till CBAM kicks in. Imports will drop off due to higher prices in GB, in favour of locally produced carbon. Another illogical policy that is actually counter productive in all models. See

    https://afry.com/sites/default/files/2024-03/afry_eu_cbam_impact_study_summary_report_mar_2024_v100.pdf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    no you didn’t, you made multiple statement and took one day as proof


    So show me the policies that back this up?

    When has Green policies not taken in technology and science?
    🍻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Did you read the link?

    Or are we back to you taking a few mins out of busy day to watch a cycle lane?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Your first paragraph is more pie in the sky. Finland is part of a massive synchronous grid. Ireland is not. The electrical engineering is completely different. Any electrical engineer will tell you this.

    The other two paragraphs are just irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    I tell you what, find a day, a single day when Ireland emits less than Finland

    As for the rest of your post, the policy of not permitting new datacenters and blocking LNG facilities is anti technology

    The bizarre fear mongering and mental gymnastics around nuclear fission is anti scientific and engineering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I’m waiting for policies, thanks

    The only one “fear mongering and mental gymnastics” are been done by yourself



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A 2050 plan that will cost €200 Bn for just the offshore turbines alone, without all the extra costs of hydrogen, for a population of 5 million that will still leave us short by 4 GW of our projected needs is not just pie in the sky, it`s economic financial suicide.

    We currently have 2 interconnectors, Moyle and East West with the U.K., and the Celtic interconnector with France under construction. Are you expecting the grid to fry when the Celtic interconnector is supplying us with nuclear generated electricity, or do you believe we are not getting nuclear generated electricity already from the U.K ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Finland is part of a massive synchronous grid. Ireland is not. The electrical engineering is completely different. Any electrical engineer will tell you this.

    And why is that more of a drawback for nuclear than it is for wind and solar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It isn't. Ask any electrical engineer. They'd much rather a predictable base load nuclear plant on the grid with significant inertia and voltage control contributions along with minimal power quality issues. Wind and solar are blighted with electrical issues to be overcome. Forecasting is a challenge, weather fronts and cloud cover can significantly impact on availability and can change rapidly, requiring fast acting ramping reserves to complement them whereas nuclear doesn't need such reserves in the same way (both technologies need similar frequency containment reserves so we can ignore that one). They also have low or no inertia and are only able to contribute to voltage control in line with their output (so useless or negative benefits in low or no wind / overnight). Obviously being inverter based technology, they'll contribute undesirable harmonic currents at the 5th, 7th, 11th and 13th harmonics too so filters may be required.

    That's before we get to the biggest difference between them - nuclear is dispatchable (you can turn it up and down to the rated maximum) whereas wind is generally just controllable (you can turn it down but not up since the prime mover is dependent on variable wind).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I’d say the last time you used a bicycle on a cycle lane was just before the driving licence amnesty of 1979.

    I don’t need to look at aspirational council plans to know that Dublin is 20 years away from having a fully joined up cycle lane network.

    Off you go now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Isn't it fantastic to see all this cheap reliable green energy bringing down energy costs.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/levy-on-electricity-bills-set-to-add-to-costs-for-households/a1593055686.html

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    And still emit multiples of similar sized EU countries that use nuclear

    IMG_5283.jpeg IMG_5282.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Because when your 1.4 GW plant trips and the load on the synchronous grid is less than 14 GW at the time, then there is a possibility that the grid will blackout. This is why the IAEA recommends strongly that no single unit serves no more than 10 percent of the trough demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Yet 37GW offshore wind ontop of existing 6.5GW of wind coming on and off at random unpredictable times is a ok 👌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Monday 22nd. November 2021

    Two major gas fired plants unexpectedly disconnected from the national grid within minutes of each other. One in Dublin, the other in Cork resulting in an immediate loss of 820MW. Just over 20% of demand at the time, so how come the grid didn`t blackout then ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    How does this change the IAEA's advice?

    No matter how tightly you close your eyes and convince yourself that unicorns are real and a 1.4 GW plant is workable on the Irish grid, it isn't going to happen. Manufacturers, financiers and regulators are not going to go ahead with investing 20 billion euros into a project that the International Atomic Energy Agency recommends against progressing in its public guidance.

    I see the other poster talking about wind farms. Small wind units' impact on the grid has nothing to do with the impact of large nuclear power units' impact. It's a completely different thing.

    One of the problems with building infrastructure in this country is that when someone tries to develop a plan for project X, another group of people try to start a conversation about issues A, B, C, W and so on, even though these have basically nothing to do with project X. If you hate wind farms, fair enough, protest about wind farms. But why pull another completely separate conversation off course because of your hatred?

    Another thing that goes on is Irish exceptionalism, the belief that things that don't work elsewhere will work here in Ireland because we are special.The natural thing to do when discussion nuclear power is to ask 'What does the International Atomic Energy Agency say about the international experience in relation to this matter?' Instead, on this thread we say, 'wind farm, solar, something I read on the Internet, therefore it must be possible to put a 1.4 GW plant on a tiny grid.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    37 offshore + 6.5 onshore + 1-2GW solar that comes on more or less at random 40, 33 and 10% of time

    No problems however

    /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    The price of wind didn't go up

    Tenuous security of supply through wilfully blocking LNG exposed us, this is 100% blame attributed to the greens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    When wholesale prices are high, mostly because of high gas prices, renewable generators, which do not require gas, receive greater revenues for the electricity they sell in the wholesale market, the CRU said.But recent falls in wholesale gas prices mean the prices renewable energy generators are getting at the moment have dropped, so under government policy, they get a subsidy to ensure they can compete with fossil-­fuel electricity generators.


    Or stated another way, Heads I win, tails you lose.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    very interesting but a completely irrelevant tangent again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    If you want to solve this difference then cite costs for

    1. A recently completed project
    2. A currently in development project
    3. A proposed project

    Ideally you would have a project halfway through it's life and a recently decommissioned or recommissioned one as the ultimate arbitrator



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    No need to go so far back. 14th May 2024, Ewic and Moyle both tripped within 30s of each other resulting in the loss of 900MW (or 25% of demand at the time) and the lights stayed on.

    Celtic interconnector will be 700MW lost if it trips and some of the offshore wind projects are 1GW if they have a cable fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    But it's not us, they are private companies

    These are not investments in education or healthcare or social housing or roads or sporting facilities or water or sewage

    We will be swapping one source for another and if it goes against them they will dump all the costs on the people after having bled the companies and people for all they can

    That is how private companies work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭whatever.


    Please can you cite where this is in operation at scale or else as a pilot project.

    In your detail please include the degradation impact upon the batteries and how compensation is calculated and provided



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It’s very interesting as your nonsense scenario is disproven daily here in real life



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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