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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • #5102
    89897
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454374#Comment_122454374

    Jesus Fu*kin Christ!



  • #5103
    89897
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453425#Comment_122453425

    Well thats not true.



  • #5104
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453348#Comment_122453348
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453409#Comment_122453409

    Ah great. I've been meaning to ask an expert who understands these things; what's the craic with intersex?

    Like the Algerian Olympic boxer who is intersex. Where do they fit into the 2 genders?



  • #5105
    GavPJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭GavPJ


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456617#Comment_122456617

    The Algerian boxer is a man. End of story. Glad I can help clear that up for you. :-)



  • #5106
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456684#Comment_122456684

    A man with a vagina? Fair enough.

    What's the craic with intersex though? Are all intersex people men even when they're born with a vagina?



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  • #5107
    Charlo30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Charlo30


    That some people just post here to try to get a rise out of others.



  • #5108
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122455338#Comment_122455338

    Because I live with someone who unfortunately suffers with depression, often severe. I know how people's moods and even personalities can change depending on the peaks and troughs. Thankfully they have medication to keep on a even keel, which is what those attention seekers need.

    Hone in on that though and not the rest of the points I made.



  • #5109
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456684#Comment_122456684

    Curious to know how you know what's under their shorts, but what happens in Vegas...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #5110
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456851#Comment_122456851

    I lived with someone with cancer. I didn't know until today that makes me an expert on cancer!

    Nice to see your proximity to mental illness has fostered empathy in you. Fair play.



  • #5111
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456851#Comment_122456851

    I honed because what you say is completely at odds what what you claim. Specifically, your idea that trans is even a mental health issue and the mention of tehabilitatio.n

    Whar you post here abput dealing the depression only makes you knowledgeable about depression.

    It's a bit like saying you live with watercolour painter so it makes you lnowledable about marine biology.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #5112
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456898#Comment_122456898

    I said I know how it works (as in aware), never once claimed to be an expert.



  • #5113
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456912#Comment_122456912

    With Respect, you're overestimating your knowledge which is obvious to everyone but yourself. You know a bit, about one individual, with one condition of mental illness. In other words, fcuk all.

    People who spend their lives studying and working in mental health disciplines for a career, would be cautious about claiming to be someone who "knows how mental illness works".



  • #5114
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    No one knows how mental illness works. The (for lack of a better word) medical professionals used to remove portions of the brain, masturbate and give thermic and electric shocks as treatment for various mental health issues, and that wasn't even that long ago. So this has to be approached with the "first do no harm" principle, and that excludes giving treatment and surgical procedures that have long lasting or permanent effects of which is not known if they actually improve anything for the patient.



  • #5115
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457205#Comment_122457205

    Yeah absolutely. The evidence and best practice is constantly updating. Then you have completely different approaches to it. Should it be a biological, psychological or social approach or a combined bio-psycho-social approach?



  • #5116
    89897
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭89897


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456851#Comment_122456851

    So you know the misery and hardship dealing with a hard bout of depression does to someone. Since you have so much to say on the issue im assuming you know that Trans people are at a much higher risk of suffering severe depression and anxiety and like 6 times more likely to be hospatilised following suicide attempts.

    However………… if it was a child of yours, you'd be ashamed! Then have the gal to call it self indulging.



  • #5117
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456774#Comment_122456774

    Everyone is born in gods image and blessed, obviously not when intersex happens then it can’t possibly be true.



  • #5118
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457288#Comment_122457288

    Generally speaking, biology is a science, psychology and sociology are somewhere between fraud and pseudoscience.



  • #5119
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Controversial opinion: I don't really understand the transgender stuff. I find it hard to imagine my sex and gender not being aligned. Like someone describing a colour I've never seen.

    I don't have any imaginary qualifications in biology, psychiatry, genetics, so I'm always at a disadvantage to all the experts who have those imaginary qualifications in these discussions.

    What toilet should trans people use? I don't fcukin know. I don't really give a shyte either, but it's probably more a question for women to answer than me.

    Should trans women take part in women's sport? I don't know. I don't watch much women's sport so I don't really care. I don't pretend to be a huge advocate of women's sort when I hear there's a trans woman involved. Ideally there would probably be a trans category in sport. But there probably are the numbers to make it work.

    What's the solution? I don't know and that's fine because it's not my fcukin job to know. I have enough to be getting on with without worrying about trans people being rapists and vagabonds. The stats show trans people are less violent than the general population so I just don't see why I'm supposed to be cross with them.

    Most of this is just reheated anti-gay stuff from the 80s and 90.



  • #5120
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457305#Comment_122457305

    Nobody is born in gods image because there is no god.

    If you want to bang someone of the same sex or a sycamore tree then go for it.

    If you are a male who identifies as a female you shouldn’t be allowed partake in female sports.



  • #5121
    pappyodaniel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Is it just me or is Kneecap's music really really really average?



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  • #5122
    silliussoddius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457353#Comment_122457353

    I’m talking about when people are born intersex, it doesn’t happen a lot bit it does happen. I don’t go for most of the modern day arguments on the trans issues but when someone is intersex things are not as binary and some compassion should be shown.

    This current case sounds like this one.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya



  • #5123
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457337#Comment_122457337

    100 percent agree. Let's hear from the women, we can start with those who have a strong opinion on the subject and/or were affected by this issue. But what do we do when we find out that, women being women, can't all agree? Do we give precedence to women like JK Rowling, women in sports and woman inmates who don't want biological males in their spaces and organizations? Or we, the men, side with those men identifying as women and force the real women to do what we want?



  • #5124
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456684#Comment_122456684
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457416#Comment_122457416

    The poster above seems to think the intersex Algerian boxer is a man with a vagina. Men having vaginas is a very liberal position to take...

    Yeah intersex blows my mind a bit. Can't pretend to understand it. Like, I read a bit about it, but where do they fit into the idea that for 100,000 years there have only been 2 sex/genders and sex and gender are synonymous?

    As With most things, reality isn't black and white, it's far more interesting.



  • #5125
    GavPJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭GavPJ


    Never argue with an idiot in public or the internet.

    You'll never convince the idiot you are correct.

    And bystanders won't be able to tell who's who. :-)



  • #5126
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457430#Comment_122457430

    I probably won't get involved because it's not a big issue for me. It's not going to be solved today or tomorrow. As long as we arrive at a fair solution, I don't really mind what that solution is.

    What will you do?



  • #5127
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,987 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456851#Comment_122456851

    …..from a person that has struggled with mental health issues for most of my life, and will for the remainder of my life….

    …holy fcuk!

    …i dont know how mental health works….

    …i dont know everything about mental health issues…

    …and i never will…

    …but im always willing to learn….



  • #5128
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Poster posts something controversial (that they'd 100% stand over) on a controversial opinions thread and causes controversy. Holy god.

    There's always a fooking pile-on when something negative is said about that 'movement' though, isn't there?

    But I am an adult and willing to learn and look forward to a viable solution too. In fairness, it doesn't affect my everyday life in the slightest, but am still allowed hold a stance against it. But admit that I over-stepped the mark on the mental health know-how bit . Besides, I don't exactly preach my views to the general public- they are a different kind of nutjob entirely.



  • #5129
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,987 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457527#Comment_122457527

    …your posts are coming across as being almost egotistical in regards mental health issues, such issues are in fact extremely complex, we may in fact never truly fully understand these complexities, even seasoned mental health professionals truly struggle to understand these issues, but we are learning, we are improving, but theres always short comings and deficits in understanding…

    …i truly have empathy for you and your loved ones that are struggling, but there can be great differences from person to person, disorder to disorder, and on and on and on….



  • #5130
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457527#Comment_122457527

    In fairness, it's more ignorant to be claiming you have some kind of expertise on the psychology and neurology of transgender people based on living with a person with depression. Now you're getting offended because it got pointed out as rather stupid. You have anecdotal experience of one person with depression. I'd imagine most people do but most wouldn't use it to justify a personal opinion on transgender people.



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  • #5131
    suvigirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is a very sinister anti trans movement happening at the moment. There wasn't anything like it before the Gender Recognition Act 2015, which is when you would expect backlash.

    Generally, I don't think anyone's personal opinion about trans people is important. Unless something personally affects you or your close ones, then just keep your personal opinion to yourself. Basic respect for other people.



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