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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    "Independent MEP Michael McNamara has said that many locals initially accepted asylum accommodation arrangements because they thought they were “temporary”, and are concerned that they are now beginning to appear “permanent.” "

    https://gript.ie/temporary-asylum-measures-starting-to-look-permanent-td/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I phrased that poorly, we have resource shortages in certain areas, but overall our big problem is poor use of our wealth.

    There's been shortages of student accommodation, bar a few years during the recession, for an awful long time now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    I have long maintained this is not incompetence.

    I'm no crazy, but I've yet to be convinced this isn't all designed to drive up the population which will spread economic activity and also grow the size of the overall economy. Someone was sold a PowerPoint presentation somewhere.

    Get the current crop in for low paid jobs that need doing and then hopefully turn their offspring into educated economic units in the longer term.

    They're not wrong in the above. Both will happen as sure as night follows day. The economy will diversify and it will grow. The problem is while we're on that generational journey, those of us here now living through it are paying the price in waiting lists, lack of school places and housing, antisocial behaviour growing and many other issues.

    I refuse to believe it's all incompetence. It can't be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    what off spring, they're predominantly single males.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Which part of that post says that?

    I do think there should be measures taken to allow people reach European and Irish border controls more easily to apply for asylum.

    Any exploitation of the system could be countered with further restrictions and conditions on entering the labour market for people who arrive.

    Using the Mediterranean, smugglers and north African malitias as deterrents has failed, and leaves people in debt to criminals and likely traumatized when they do eventually arrive.

    There have even been recorded examples of people forced to come to Europe to pay off traffickers ransoms for family members.

    But you wouldn't be interested in all that, it's all about the outrage after all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I support that people be able to seek asylum safely. Do you think Greece and Italy should deal with all the people who seek asylum process coming to Europe?

    I believe that the asylum process is currently a very imperfect way of dealing, in some cases, with economic migration. Have you a better, realistic, alternative?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Who said anything about Irish people claiming asylum?

    When people move to another country they make decisions based on where their friends and family live and where they'll have the best opportunities.

    That applies to people seeking better job or housing outlooks, why would it not apply to asylum seekers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Dropping them into working class and lower class areas fixes that. They're having kids, don't you worry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Funny, a friend of mine sent this to me earlier.

    It seems Denmark are causing ruptures within the EU and are now pushing for a Rwanda style approach to immigration. They want this as an immediate reassessment of the migration pact, which took years to be negotiated and which they've opted out of.

    There are various reasons they might be doing so, none of which I see coming from them having a nice, straightforward solution to dealing with IPAs, as many here claim.

    https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-21/news/politics/denmark-leads-15-member-states-in-call-to-outsource-eu-migrant-policy/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Michael Ring on with PK this morning

    Towards the end he was asked 'What do you see as the challenges in the next GE?' - Did Michael go to the standard response…'Well Pat, it's obviously housing, health and the climate…' - Did he **** - Straight in with the big 'I' and didn't mention anything else - I'd say there were a few 'Ah, ffs Michael' texts received shortly after

    Ring is around a long time and seems like a wily fecker and with his finger on the pulse of both his constituency and the general feeling from within the Dail

    Not contesting the next GE may have loosened him up a bit

    Can't point to direct mins on this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    I think from maybe page 1 of this thread certain people have continually been purposely obtuse about the difference between emigration, immigration ……and free loading asylum seeking refugees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,130 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    One further point to add to this.

    Technically speaking, an unemployed migrant will increase economic activity. They will be entitled to unemployment benefits, HAP for accommodation, a medical card, they might even get child benefit if they have kids, free schooling, etc. Spending unemployment benefits and consuming health & education resources will generate economic activity.

    Of course the economic activity that they've generated is useless. They haven't created or contributed anything, all they've done is consume money and resources that were paid for by other people.

    Low-paid workers are a less extreme example. They might not consume social welfare, but would likely still be entitled to HAP, GP visits, child benefit, etc. A single man stacking shelves on €25k a year for example would generate only €2.5k a year in tax, that wouldn't even come close to covering their HAP entitlement, let alone unemployment or future state pension payments. The economy will technically grow, even though they are still by far net beneficiaries of the system.

    The problem above is not new, it's something most of Europe is contending with.

    FT-UK-productivity-growth-stalled.jpg

    As the above graph for the UK illustrates, the growth of the economy by itself is meaningless. It's the growth of the economy per capita (or person) that matters. Adding migrants who don't work, or are Deliveroo drivers is ultimately going to act as a brake on future prosperity of the country.

    tl;dr - economically speaking, not all migration is equal!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    You can be sure the majority know what's going on, just to afraid to call it out and face the backlash from the minority who support it, that's what it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,413 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    There have even been recorded examples of people forced to come to Europe to pay off traffickers ransoms for family members.

    Citation please or this is anecdote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,651 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Ireland is not a wealthy country. Any wealth is just resting in the Multinationals accounts.

    Liberal lefties love spending other peoples money and diverting resources from people who actually need it. And the squeezed middle ground are getting angry about it.

    How about a proper community centre in Coolock instead of a refugee camp?

    Its being going on for years. 10 years ago, Peter Sutherland was like a broken record whining from his ivory perch in Kensington London that Ireland should take in hundreds of thousands more people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Id agree but ya need more than just a high population for a strong economy. Think other countries economies in the rest of the world prove this. And yes maybe the next generation of migrant gets well educated n all that.

    But what economic state will the country be in by then. No guarantees.

    Its a very simplistic way of looking at it.

    Problem is our political class are simple and don't see past their own little career path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Cheap labour is the term ya use for big business heads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    You've a higher post count than me 😉 Some days I post quite a bit, others not at all.

    I've shared several times in the thread already links showing the threat a split on migration poses to the EU.

    I can share again when I'm back to my pc if you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't have a digital link to the passages which describe this but it's contained in this book.

    It's an incredible read and a multiple award winning book.

    I'd imagine a lot of people would change there opinions on deterrent policies and labelling people 'bogus' or 'chancers' if they took the time to read it.

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/696846/my-fourth-time-we-drowned-by-sally-hayden/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,190 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I have never come across a more arrogant and disingenuous minister. His policies are divisive and tearing communities apart and he doesn't care one jot. More concern for people from foreign countries than our own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Not really - if 60%+ of applicants are denied asylum, bearing in mind you suggested previously that many are choosing to claim asylum as they do not have to access to work visas and want a better life - what are they if not bogus and chancers?

    By all means continue the mental gymnastics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,816 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Thank **** his party wont be in government to action this crap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    He's trolling us at this stage. Marginalized ffs, the only thing marginalized in this country is the taxpayer.

    There's an encampment once again on the Curragh Plains right now, I've never seen so many Land Rover Discoverys....... they're not doing as bad as you think Roderic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I wish they'd get their story straight.

    They are here because they need protection or they are here to work because obviously there's a formal visa process for the latter.

    Yesterday they were talking about this plan to develop the train system on local radio.

    Donegal had a train service a hundred years ago.

    The rail network today only goes as far as sligo.

    Apparently they are planning on building one into letterkenny linked up to the north because in the future according to the interviewee the island of Ireland will have a population of 10 million.

    (A lack of population is cited as a reason railway was closed)

    A real WTF moment.

    Where are these millions coming from? Not the Irish with a below replacement birth rate.

    This is all planned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Sunderland brought Simon Coveney to the Bilderberg conference for a reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    and then the media types on Twitter yesterday are **** themselves when a report from election commission after we boldly rejected them referendums last March finds nearly 25% believe the government are replacing us with all new “doctors and engineers “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,130 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Pro tip, you need to give the link with twitter.com in it instead of x.com to make the embedded link work 😊

    This is insanity. The last thing we need to do in this country is to be encouraging Roma from other parts of Europe to come to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    given that that the government loves putting out global warming projections going forward a 100 years with pictures of Dublin under water, they should do the the same with population makeup and "debunk the myth" of population replacement?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    where is this big shortage of workers currently?. What work is suitable for lads arriving with no English or formal education?

    All they will be able to get is low paid manual work. The type of workers we need in IT and the medical field already can apply for a visa.



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