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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It'll be getting harder and harder to deport anyone with so many AGS resources being spent on the bogus peaceful protestors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'd agree that we could try reduce the number of visas and permits issued for non-essential roles.

    It would have to be on a trial basis, quite possibly there'd just be an increase in people working and living undocumented.

    Denmark has a zero asylum seeker policy but not zero asylum seekers. Besides we're not in a position to try their methods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Rise of the far-right you mean surely?

    Which most people I think can see is a far bigger threat to Ireland than IPAs.

    Having to house people who'll go on to work is a challenge...

    Having to deal with the far-right tearing the EU apart would be a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    An asylum seeker can have two different statuses.

    1. They've made an application for International Protection and are awaiting an outcome. These people go into Direct Provision, they won't get an apartment like that woman and her children.
    2. The other status a refugee can have is the right to remain if their application is approved. Once given a right to remain, they have the same social entitlement as any native Irish person, including housing.

    It sounds like the Nigerian lady and her two girls fall into the second category if they have an apartment.

    Being a refugee and a recent arrival is irrelevant when it comes to allocating social housing. Priority for social housing is given to those who are deemed to need it most, so a women with two girls is likely going to be fast-tracked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    Because the EU functions so well at the moment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Give or take 10-20% who are deported in some countries, that's the reality worldwide.

    With the lack of AGS and other resources I think it's perfectly valid to focus on deporting criminals as has been the approach recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Not in every regard but we'd certainly be screwed without it.

    No EU would pretty much be no corporation tax for us.

    To have that dropped on us would make the last recession look like a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Dint forget that Leave To Remain and being successfully granted Refugee status are 2 different things. Leave to Remain is granted to unsuccessful Refugee claimants at the discretion of the Minister often for family reasons. You see it regularly enough when a community or school campaign for a child and their family to be allowed to stay even though they do not meet Refugee criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Asylum seeker families have been going into apartments . Only Single males into factories etc . All the while our homeless figures reached record highs today .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    And it will continue to rise. There must be hundreds of thousands of adults 18+ that live at home with parents or other family for example, that although they have a home, it's not "theirs"...I wonder if such a large group put themselves on the housing list would the government wake up and stop the madness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I see our Olympic team shared a boat with Iraq tonight. Better watch out lads or they will stowaway to make their way over here to take our paint factories, our army camps. our tents and our jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,812 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Fair enough, you know more than me about the asylum system than me. I just couldn’t understand how a woman arrived last December with 2 kids ended up being housed in one of most expensive apartments in Dublin City. Was there nowhere in Nigeria she could have found a safe place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Ah give up this idea the idea we have to raise our corporation tax if we try to only take as many immigrants as we can support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,812 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    "Was there nowhere in Nigeria she could have found a safe place"

    Or how many other safe countries between Nigeria and edge of Europe Ireland.

    You're not alone in asking that question, I think most of us level headed posters are bewildered that this keeps happening

    It's all a con job, plain in simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    What stopped them before the protests, they way your message writes it’s like Ireland is being set on fire nightly when in fact it hasn’t. Any building that was burned has insurance so that doesn’t stop McEntee from getting the finger and doing a proper job but she won’t cause as I’ve said before she doesn’t have the camps around her house or her area and neither do any of them making decisions and when they actually do get camps beside them they are moved on 👍🏼



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Time to get the cheque book out again. Another AS suing the state over failure to provide adequate housing while his case is considered.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41444509.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Thats what happens when the authorities put them in temporary accommodation and dare not concede that the country may in fact, actually be full.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


     Any building that was burned has insurance so that doesn’t stop McEntee...

    Holy s**t!

    Is that what some people really think?

    There's no cost to this because the insurance companies hand out free money?

    Aside from that AGS resources aren't limited to cash. They've been low on numbers for years now and the work hours going into dealing with the bogus peaceful protestors must be huge.

    Time spent at the actual riots would be a fraction of time spent on investigations and logistics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,812 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    No doubt the NGOs are fully supporting it with advice and money.

    It's really sickening isnt it, the nerve of these illegals. This is why they come to Ireland, they expect everything on a silver platter.

    Where is our opposition party to question all these fooking madness, oh yes we don't have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Imagine thinking that it doesn't matter because of insurance. That's mental. Actually, there could be cases where insurance might refuse to pay out where damage is caused intentionally.

    As for the cost regarding Gardai, imagine the stress the crap they have to put up with with the dregs of society attacking them for hours on end. And they can't even give them a few belts to protect themselves. And then there are the ones that get injured and end up being out of work recovering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Oh it most definitely is being driven by an ngo or do gooder whos in it to feather their nest. Now at the same time, tented accommodation isn't acceptable but, the country doesn't have the accommodation to house them, so tough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,812 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/several-high-court-challenges-initiated-against-tented-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers/a1103421493.html?#

    Several High Court challenges have been initiated alleging tented accommodation at sites such as Crooksling, in Co Dublin, does not meet the basic needs of asylum seekers.

    The latest case to come before the court is brought by a Somalian national who was initially homeless upon his arrival in the State last December.

    The man’s action challenges the lack of suitable “material reception conditions”, including accommodation, since he indicated his intention to apply for international protection here.

    Leaving him on the streets for four months breached his right to a “dignified standard of living”, as did the later supply of tented accommodation, he alleges.

    The homelessness point has been raised in previous challenges, including ones that caused the High Court to declare the State failed in its duties and breached asylum seekers’ rights.

    This led to the introduction of some new measures and a rise in the weekly payment to homeless international protection applicants.

    The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission later brought a case claiming these new measures are still not enough to bring the State into line with its international obligations.

    Judgment is awaited in this action, which is opposed by the State.

    A new round of cases claim the supply of tented accommodation at sites such as Crooksling also do not comply with standards.

    Ms Justice Niamh Hyland was told on Friday that the Somalian man’s case is among a number that raise the issue of asylum seeker homelessness and tented accommodation.

    The man’s barrister Colm O’Dwyer SC told the judge the situation is “not suitable”.

    David Conlan Smyth SC said the actions will be opposed by his clients: the Minister for Equality and Integration, Ireland and the Attorney General.

    The judge adjourned the case to next October, when the similar actions are next due to be mentioned before the court.

    In the most recent case, the man, who cannot be identified, alleges he slept in doorways and sometimes in a small tent near Mount Street in Dublin city when left on the streets during the wettest period of the year.

    A €113 weekly payment was not sufficient for him to live with any meaningful level of dignity and barely covered food costs, he claims.

    He was later accommodated at a site in Crooksling, near the Dublin mountains, where army tents are shared by about a dozen men, he says. Then considered to be accommodated, the €113.80 payment was reduced to €38.80, he says.

    He gets three meals per day and has access to a toilet and showering facilities, but the accommodation does not meet the basic standard of living required, he says.

    The State’s failure has caused him to suffer loss, damage, inconvenience and expense, his case alleges.

    In a separate case before the same judge, a Palestinian man who claims he is a former political prisoner and was tortured in an Israeli jail has sued the State arising out of his homelessness after he sought international protection.

    The man arrived here in April and applied for International Protection.

    He claims that since then he has been left without any proper accommodation, and in recent months has spent time sleeping in a tent or in another person's home

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    Screw the Irish homeless, lets give these lads there houses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    No, Im saying there is money there for incidents like this to cover it, you think AGS are covering that insurance. Do you think AGS are paying for flights out of here?

    Again as usual you ignored the rest of the convo. Our Government are wasting money

    Waste of money example 1 - https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/irish-government-spent-up-1million-28974451

    Example 2 - https://businessplus.ie/news/refugees-housing-companies/ "Five companies were paid more than €100m by the State for housing refugees and asylum seekers for just six months last year"

    And the cherry on the top - 5Billion on AS, not struggling Irish people

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/04/02/cost-of-state-owned-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers-put-at-5bn-between-now-and-2044/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,812 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Nothing wrong with Tents in the likes of Crooksling

    But to be brutally honest, they should be **** happy with what ever they get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Quags


    Who said it doesnt matter? Not me

    Im 100% i seen some Garda hitting a few belts so your lying there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    If only communities had one of those Veto thingys stopping unwanted men/AS being forced on them, the thing MLMcD said at a press conference wasn't allowed because it's undemocratic, pretty sure there'd be feck all protests, and bogus protesters as ye call them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Imagine an Ireland that didn't have these problems because it didn't invite mass migration. Your ideology created the problem. You demonised everyone who warned you about what would happen. And while it's happening, even still, you pretend you're the victim of misfortune. Just tweak the policy, and this wild, crazy experiment will work. Right?

    Imagine thinking you were wrong. That is mental. Right?



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