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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭creeper1


    If the situation is what you describe then the migrants will be on social media telling contacts at home not to bother coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Here's an article on the Polish border situation.

    People finding weak spots in the border and coming through. From the article it's still one of the safest routes into Europe.

    https://balkaninsight.com/2024/02/29/poland-fence-in-the-swamp/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, that never happened. Surveying of their salary? What is that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    So still no link.

    And still no answer to my Helsinki question

    Your credibility is in shreds.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    If you wish to rent you must supply the past three months of payslips, supply past three months of bank accounts, have a landlord reference, photographic identification, preferably have no pets and preferably no requirement for a car parking space.

    I can 100% verify the anecdote I gave and I will not have heart bleeding lefties coming on here calling me a liar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Www.Google.com

    Type what you're looking for in the search bar. Took me 30s to get the quote regarding them letting vulnerable people in or children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Roderics advertising campaign worked wonders. And you with an opposition party telling us we still have to take everybody just in wealthier areas too this entire island is screwed.

    Let's be realistic though SF will just lose votes in wealthy areas because the rich don't want this either so unless they do a coalition with FF/FG it's hard to see it happening. Because FFG/Greens aren't going to piss off their rich voter base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭creeper1


    What an indictment.

    RTE aren't asking the right questions about this.

    Geographic location alone should mean Ireland receives fewest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Things are getting worse now on the Polish border. More IPAs are coming than ever. A soldier was stabbed to death, allegedly by an IPA and Poland is sending more troops and building a bigger fence.

    Unfortunately this is all just playing into Putin's hands. Europe faces greater immigration stresses, and with allegations of violence and Belarusian incursions an armed conflict could be triggered whenever Putin wishes.

    Handling immigration properly is hugely important for a variety of reasons. The outrage agendas of the further right groupings can no longer be allowed to control the narrative in Europe or at home.

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/06/12/the-renewed-poland-belarus-border-crisis-explained/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Fair enough. Personally, I would have used the phrase "turned up" instead of "attended."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If anything it's the anti-immigration advertising campaign 😂

    Despite it being quite clear there never actually was an offer of free housing for the world...

    You guys keep posting that it's true.

    So either you lot never really believed this BS, or the outrage is all that actually matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I don't believe it because he's failing miserably. But the word got out there and spread far and wide. People coming here have high expectations and their hopes will be turning to anger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    Have you actually read that white paper?

    Because if you have, and you can't or refuse to see the connection in the laughable if not worrying rise in the number of AS and AS wannabes here and on the way, you need to give your head a wobble. A good one.

    If he wants to be deluded and self-praising in the apparent good he has done in government then he needs to take responsibility for the obvious bad which he has done.

    His department has made Ireland seem really attractive to AS and to scammers, and as a result, we're now the go-to country. How people don't get that is beyond me. It's scary that these same people can actually vote.

    The words unprepared and unsustainable don't do justice in describing the situation.

    Post edited by giseva on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,554 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Roderic O'Gorman has had four years of handling immigration. How is that working out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Actually the original story comes from an IT crime correspondent who's gone on record saying they have recordings and transcripts of these meetings.

    Let me guess they're fake news too and we should believe the people telling us it's only concerned locals involved in these various violent protests?

    I posted the link because it shows just how dangerous and detached from reality elements of, or maybe what's left of, the anti-immigration movement have become.

    Planning to target a garda like that is disgusting and terrifying too, knowing what some of these people are capable of trying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Compare and contrast what I said and your statement.

    Steenson said in his interview that immigrants were the cause of hospital delays.

    Even your toned down interpretation is incorrect.

    A rate of immigration is not the immigrant. Who controls the rate of immigration?

    Steenson never stated the cause but rather the affect of increasing population.

    A possible cure to the issue could be increased services in line with population growth , etc

    As I said, read my previous comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Duplicate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Jesus Christ. Are you still at this?

    This is a quote, from the video. The presenter asked him why the doors were opened up to so many migrants. He responded that the population has gone up and that there was a shortage of hospitals

    Eamonn Holmes: "Why were the doors opened up so generously to migrants?"
    Steenson: "Well we've gone from a population of three and a half million to a population of over almost 5 and a half million now, without building any infrastructure for, to, to deal with that. We have a shortage of hospitals, we have a shortage of schools but most particularly we have a shortage of housing"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    You're the one who won't let it go.

    You don't seem to understand the point I made, I tried to explain it to you but you keep bringing garbage into the conversation that adds nothing.

    I thought it was an interesting observation, that's it.

    I've no idea why you are being so confrontational, as I said I'm not defending Steenson but pointed out my surprise that his rhetoric was not brought up previously. I also provided you with a paper to help you understand basic hospital dynamics.

    Why don't you ask someone what time it is by shouting at them about brexit? That action may help you understand that speaking garbage may not help getting the answer you are looking for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Who do you think 'controls the rate of immigration'?

    We're not North Korea.

    Governments can take some measures but at the end of the day no country that you or I would actually want to live in is going to be putting machine guns at the borders, despite the dark fantasies some on this thread have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    For Those profiteering off the fiasco quite well actually! I really hope he doesn't get elevated next time around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,508 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Poland literally have their army defending their border and our EU border from illegal immigrants. After one of them stabbed and killed a polish soldier recently Poland have no made it easier for the soldiers to use their weapons.

    Poland is a country I would definitely live in and it's far superior to Ireland in many ways. You can walk around their city centers and feel much safer then Dublin.

    Saudi Arabia is another country using weapons to defend their borders. I wouldn't personally work there but many very educated Irish people do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    Not a hope,come next election,the Green Party will be finished and whoever the next sucker in that ministry will have a lot of cleanup work to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Poland's issuing of a right to shoot is worrying but appears very much a self defence measure in the face of Belarusian agitation and manipulation, rather than allowing the murder of people peacefully crossing the border to live elsewhere.

    Go down that route, as some here clearly favour, and it won't be long before Irish people are legitimately seeking asylum elsewhere. What happens when there's no, or far fewer 'illegal' migrants, to spread lies about and blame for all societies ills?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    This is not about machine guns on the border. There are countries which do not need them, anyone would have no issue to live in and yet they do not have a problem with managing immigration with an ease.

    Problem is that there is too much of a carrot and zero stick. Complete overhaul of social welfare and entitlements is what is needed and that in itself will sort out this problem pretty much overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    New home completions down over 5%. On second quarter of year. 1800% increase in jordanian AS. This shite is so sustainable

    The world n its counsin must need asylum in ireland. Must be the only safe place left on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    The Irish might end up seeking asylum in Nigeria, India, Ukraine ... given the levels of negative discrimination and policies carried out on them by their own Government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    "In the first six months of 2024, there were 12,730 new-dwelling ­completions, down 8.6pc on the same period last year"

    https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/fewer-houses-may-be-built-this-year-as-completions-stall/a1051571631.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Nowhere near enough to cover our permanent resident 'asylum seekers' received in the same period. Sure it'll be grand having what will become hundreds of thousands in a few years at the current rate, permanently living in every building that the government can find to rent from somebody. We can pay for that while also not having houses for those paying for it.



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