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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,959 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …this would default another ffg government!

    …the only real alternative government at the moment is a sf lead one, by not voting sf, the outcome would simply default to ffg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    That's what lots of people done in last election and ended up with useless representation for themselves and their area. #

    It's an idiotic plan to just vote for any person with no idea about them or what they offer going forward.

    "can't be much worse", look at the history of Ireland and you can see exactly what it can be like. Don't have to look too far back either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    The Political establishment has proven to be nearly obsolete at this stage so why not.

    This Country is definitely run for big business and not its people.

    Stupid is voting the same and getting the same rinse repeat pattern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have voted Independent since 2016. Superb TD. Many voters can't think for themselves and vote according to their parents wishes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah more of the kind of independents we have in the current Dail they will end up either clogging up the backbenches as they are now or propping up another FFG government.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/members/tds/?term=%2Fie%2Foireachtas%2Fhouse%2Fdail%2F33&tab=party&party=%2Fie%2Foireachtas%2Fparty%2Fdail%2F33%2FIndependent&page=1

    Either way they'll have little or no influence on national policy because most of them have little or no interest in that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,027 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    But it's always been either FG or FF with others

    Now besides Independents I'm not sure who else look viable good options to me

    SF are either on a fence or changing stances it's hard to follow but would it be worth actually given them a shot in the hot seat?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ireland has plenty of parties to choose from, it hasn’t always been FF or FG.

    SF are incompetent and a total disaster in the north, running Ireland is not something to “give someone a shot”

    They have policies like all parties, their policies at the moment would cripple Ireland and their incompetence would finish us off for generations

    A couple of online supporters running around abusing people if they don’t agree won’t change that

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,027 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I thought it has always been either FG or FF as the major party in government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    yes but people had other options to vote for, if they decided not to vote for them that was their choice

    Lots of moaning and complaining about parties doing a good job and people voting for them . A lot of nonsense to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    What about those who voted Fianna Fail because Michael Martin promised no more Fine Gael in people wanting change, no grand coalition?

    The only way we'll be rid of FF/FG is if we start to put our votes elsewhere. No more settling for the less corrupt of two corrupt parties. Which to be fair is pretty much a coin toss on who is 'most corrupt'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The voter can decide who they want

    I doubt any of those voters give two hoots what you think.

    If you have any evidence of this corruption, you should bring it to the Gardai. Or is it just online noise. Plenty of that.

    In reality, doing an excellent job at driving people back to FF/FG, thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As expected the government are running scared on RTE and won't reform. Throwing money at them instead to reward the culture of extravagance. Well done Catherine Martin, great work.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭pureza


    It won't run on fresh air and is now under the remit of the C&AG as well as the PAC,so I don't understand where the reward is ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,027 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    In 2020, Fianna Fáil agreed with Fine Gael and The Green Party to enter into a coalition government as neither had the numbers to form majority

    I cannot see any party alone getting around 80 seats in the next election

    A proposal for RTÉ to get public funding of €725 million over the next three years is to go to Cabinet tomorrow.

    This figure includes paid-for TV licences, free TV licences and an Exchequer funding top up to bring it to the agreed level.

    The exact amount of Exchequer funding will depend on the amount collected in TV licence revenue.

    The three coalition party leaders met tonight to sign off on the proposals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    You criticiced people not voting for FF/FG, saying they ended up with "useless representation".

    In the spirit of discussion, I asked what about the people who voted FF, after being told it was a change and FF wouldn't go in with FG? Why are you getting hot and bothered?

    Not all corruption is criminal, FF/FG have seen to that. Creating false housing documents, hiding business ownership, charging expenses for being in two parts of the country at once and so on. Letting Moriarty gather dust.

    "Driving people back"? So how come FF/FG got less votes in this LE than they did in the last?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Oxo Moran


    Yes. It's the bank bailout all over again. They do wrong, get into financial trouble, the tax payer takes the brunt, they go back to business as usual.

    Anyone taking out a TV licence is a sucker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Irish democracy at work. Vote for 1 of the 2 or none or both! Certain parties have become accustomed with consist votes to the point of complacency which has lead to arrogance which has lead to outright ignoring and dictating to public. A change and shakeup would do no harm what so ever. Theyve turned in this country a lot of things over the years into a gambling venture to benfit the elite few. (Housing being one)

    People and society seems to be the next in line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭pureza


    Doesn't the local and EU elections & current polling suggest,your point is moot ?

    Don't both suggest the opposite of regret?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,959 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …but again, by not placing sf at a higher preference on the ballot paper, will simply cause a default to another ffg government, ffg are clearly just gonna block up our political system now, theyre gonna do everything in their power to maintain their position, they will continually fall over each other in attempting to form governments, i.e. the only way to try break this position it to attempt to elect sf, as the only two current combinations of government are sff or ffg, so pick your poison……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Vote whatever party represents you the best, what exactly are you struggling with here?

    Why do you bother lying in posts? what exactly do you gain from it? maybe you can share with us all what the agenda is from one from one thread to another lying about posters?

    I have always said to vote for whoever you like. If someone wants to vote for another party then so be it. I criticise party policies. It's you who goes after the poster if they don't agree with you. Like the post above



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    People vote for FF/FG, get over it

    Do you understand how an election works?

    You mention SF, who are an incompetent disaster, why would people vote for them when their policies are a mess and most people would end up in a worse scenario than they already are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep. Very difficult to see any party forming a govt by itself in the next decade at least.

    Coalitions will be the only outcome for a long time, i suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The results of an election are based on what people vote for

    Ireland has a very diverse population and plenty of parties to provide for everyone

    So if the population want coalitions then coalitions they will get



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,027 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is Dee still off on her hols, too sick to face questions, all on the tax payer dime, how all the big bucks sign off bonus redundancy pension packages etc., passed is unbelievable including for Coveney, the Toy Show musical master failure who answered no questions also

    Montrose could be used as an IPA centre, lovely packed in to Donnybrook in Dublin 4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,959 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …theres nothing to get over here! yes many will indeed vote for ffg, enough to form another ffg lead government, what some ffg voters are not willing to accept, theres actually many voters who are actually completely done with ffg, and even sf for that matter, but some ffg supporters seem to think ffg actually have a given right to dominate our poltical system, preventing alternatives…..

    i have ideas on how our election system works, but please do enlighten us?

    …again, the pr-stv system does not mean voters have complete say and control over what governments are formed, as elected officials also play a vital role, in particular major parties, as they can effectively dictate government formation, particular after votes are cast….

    …this is exactly what ffg will do going forward, as they will do everything in their abilities to prevent alternatives such as sf from forming, hence their current government formation agreement, they will maintain this for as long as possible, possible indefinitely, in order to prevent alternative government formations, effectively blocking such….

    …yes lets continue to blast sf, and you wouldnt be far wrong, but has ffg truly lived up to it, as they seem to be flying it in regards housing and health care…..

    …tis all good really, isnt it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Dee has left RTE, she resigned. Over a year ago

    She won't come back and nothing RTE can do to make her come back unless they have evidence of criminal activity which in this case would be hard to prove like any of these cases. She just won't ever get a job again

    In terms of the package, it's like the FAI going in asking for everything and hoping they get some of it. Standard practise in this type of discussion

    You don't go in and ask for the minimum in case the goverment might want to give you more.

    The TV license will stay, probably up for renew come next government. The enforement will stay. RTE will have to cut costs etc.

    The dumping of the likes of 2FM should be asked for but I doubt it will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    If SF want to form a government, they get the votes and form a government. It is nobody else fault but SF

    Really the excuses, whinging and wining from SF supporters is going on too long now. It's 4 years of this nonsense now. It's not up to every other party in Ireland to get SF into government, after the last election SF went missing, so ask them why that was?

    People vote for parties based on policies and what they expect they can do with them over the next 5 years, don't like it then I don't really care. If SF get in next election I will accept it and move on.

    In terms of housing and heathcare, well I suggest you read the SF policies becuase they are a reall mess and we would be twice as worse as we are now. Maybe stopping SF rejecting every house in Ireland might stop if they are in government but I doubt it because they are incompetent. Just look at them in DCC, they rejected their own housing project. Incompetence

    Anyway thats for a Sinn Fein thread, plenty of them you cry about the big bad parties not letting poor old SF make a mess of Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,959 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahaha, no its not butty, its not how the real world works!!!

    again, this is really why ffg formed their alliance, i.e. to ultimately stop alternatives from forming, i.e. to maintain their position of power!

    …and its working, and will continue to, i.e. ffg and its supporters have nothing to be worrying about, there will be another ffg government from next year, tis all good….

    …so relax folks, seriously…..

    …yes sf are sh1t, we all know this, but hows the ffg train going, seriously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,027 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I doubt anyone who voted FF in the last election wanted them in coalition with FG or vice versa

    FF got most seats with SF next, FG I believe lost most seats which was telling from the voters that they did not want FG back in power but alas it happened with FFG



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




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