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Shane Lowry - 2019 Champion Golfer of The Year (note first post please for posting guidance)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    But most of his competitors were able to keep some control of their scores on Saturday afternoon, it was only him who had a complete meltdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,315 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Would people ever stop about he was in the worse of the conditions on Saturday. Along with everyone else and he shot the worse round of them all. They all played the same course from unless Shane decided to play off different tee boxes. He lost the head on Saturday and that’s the reason why he didn’t do well. If anything conditions suited a leader as didn’t need to shoot birds. He just needed to keep it in play.

    He shouldn’t be giving out to spectators and volunteers. If they’re not there then no event. He gets away with the anger from us because people think it’s passion but we say Hatton isn’t passion he’s just a grump



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭overpronator


    I think by now it should be clear that Shane is a bit of an arsehole when things aren't going his way. This can be framed (explained away) a few ways that can include things like he's a competitor or that he's passionate - both of which are absolutely true. Some people like it or live with it for those reasons and honestly that's fine. It doesn't absolve him of the fact that it's arsehole behaviour though and the majority of other passionate and highly competitive players on the tour do not behave similarly, especially towards staff and spectators which bottom line I think is quite telling behavior.

    I still support him and really wanted him to win but I'm increasingly getting tired of the manchild tendencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Are you basically saying professional sportsman can behave anyway they want because they're competing?

    Bizzare POV but each to their own.

    Personally I like Shane when he's being charismatic and dislike him when he's being a childish twat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,689 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    A +3 on Saturday wouldn't have won it for him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,406 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Justin Rose played in terrible conditions too but to his credit he dug in and put in a great round. He showed a fighting spirit that Shane didn't seem to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    I don’t give a damn what he’s like on a personal basis. I had €20 each way on him for a top 12 finish. Would have got over €700 if he won but came out with €100. He’s a good golfer for punters. Over the years he has saved his best performances for the Majors and the team events Ryder Cup and so on. He’s usually a good price for these Majors because he’s not particularly highly ranked I don’t think? I hope he’s nice to the wife and kids but that’s none of my business. As regards some camera guy sticking a camera in his face or the “patrons” who shout stuff like “youh the maaaaaan etc”, I couldn’t give a rats ass if Shane is rude to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I can't argue he played well on the back nine as he didnt.But he lost 2 shots on the field on the 8th which killed him.

    Everything that dropped for him on the first 2 days didnt on the Sat.He just had a bad day in horrendous conditions like Koepka did and JT did yesterday,I mentioned earlier in thread that Shane rarely puts 4 good rounds together,thats why he is a top 50 golfer and not a top 10. I think Shaffeule was the only golfer over 4 rounds that was getting to -9 ,he just looked in control all the time ,so don't think Shane left it behind .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You're fairly animated and opinionated for someone who doesn't give a damn.

    Anyway, Shane gets paid big bucks because of fans who pay to go to stand in the rain and watch him play.

    He'd do well to treat them with respect. Same as for the people working there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I think Shane is generally liked as in general hes a likeable friendly lad which shines through.Seems popular with other players and the media,sure he gets upset when he has a bad day.Theres plenty are Aholes when thinks are even going there way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    You’re fairly opinionated and fairly judgmental yourself. Wind your neck in there.

    Nobody got hurt, Shane got angry as he saw his chance to win another Major slip away from him having worked so hard to get into a good position.

    He’ll be back. I hope he rests up well and will tune in hopeful that he’ll get a medal for Ireland at the Olympics.

    I’m not going to sit here bitching about him like a few others on the boards.ie golf pages here. He’s a good player with some exceptional talent around the greens. He has supported his county GAA teams very well I believe and he turns up and plays well in the big tournaments. I like him and if he got a bit tetchy with someone when he was frustrated and angry because he doesn’t like losing it doesn’t bother me all that much. I’ll leave the bitching to others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Some people like sticking the boot in when a man is down. Never fails to amaze me. I'm sure all those whinging are absolutely perfect individuals 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    As I said a few posts back, I like Shane when he's being charismatic and I dislike him when he's being a childish twat.

    You think he can actlike a twat because it shows a competitive edge. Whatever that means. Sounds like some pseudoscience bollix ology to me.

    But everyone's entitled to their opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    The British Open is in Portrush next year.

    Good for Shane, hopefully he’ll win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    he looks very tubby. Why doesn’t he get fit and lose that belly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Paterson Jerins


    You could trouble me for a warm glass of shut the hell up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    basic fitness is a key requirement for success. It’s pretty basic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Well he's been successfully so that would contradict your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    I think the point is that him being tetchy with people on the course affects Lowry himself! You might brush it off as not bothering you, and fair enough (the GAA support is irrelevant btw), but it clearly affects Lowry. He gets too easily wound up by these situations. He's clearly very talented, but as someone said above, not being able to put 4 rounds together is the difference between a top 50 player and a top 10 player. Contrast Lowry with Tiger and Scottie in terms of their demeanour. You can never tell from Tiger or Scottie from their demeanour what's happened before. It's that ability to move on to the next shot is what separates the very good players from the greats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    They don’t all have the same demeanour. Someone like Rahm would often react with anger and frustration when things go wrong on the course. Has him being tetchy at times prevented him from winning more than he did? I don’t think so, I think him joining the LIV nonsense has been the main reason for his form falling off a cliff.

    Lowry is not in that level of where Woods was or where Rahm was or Scheffler is now but he has enough quality and he has the desire and hunger that he can contend and win Majors. He’s already won one.

    I’m sure he’ll reflect on that 3rd round and how he reacted to it when he came under pressure and hopefully use it to his advantage for Portrush next year when he could face similar weather conditions.

    And By the way the GAA support is irrelevant but one of those posters on here that’s lining up to have a go at him brought up his GAA background with a snidey comment about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Panrich


    It’s tough to watch when Shane starts to lose his composure on the course. I get that he’s competitive and really wants to win but he needs to find a way to get out of his own way, when the red mist starts to descend.

    Being a curmudgeon on the course is not a new phenomenon. It was said of Faldo that he had two moods. 1: Annoyed and 2: About to be annoyed. However, he was able to channel this anger effectively to his benefit.

    I hope that Shane can learn a lot from this disappointment, because when he is in full swing and conditions are in his favour, he’s capable of winning any tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,071 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I don't even think that Shane would dare to class himself with Tiger.

    He's an emotional guy and I'm sure that he will regret Saturday. All the experts on Boards won't be able to change him at this stage. And while that emotion manifested itself in a negative way on Saturday, that same emotion has probably been a huge factor in him having the career he has had.

    He's never going to be as steely focused as Tiger, few/none are.

    I don't think he's ever going to be a solid Top 10 golfer either, and iirc, he said as much in an on course interview / vlog earlier this year. Something along the lines of him being way too streaky of a player.

    Shane seems to have accepted who he is, the positives and the negatives. Maybe others could do so as well, he really aint for changing at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    I think you're making my point for me unbeknownst.

    I didn't say they 'all' had the same demeanour. I said Tiger and Scottie differ from Lowry in that regard. Yes, Lowry has enough quality, desire, and hunger to win, but I would argue that Tiger and Scottie deal with adversity better.

    Rahm is another hothead. Where is your evidence that his tetchiness/hotbeadedness has NOT cost him winning more? I would agree with you that his form has dropped since joining LIV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    There is no way of proving that one way or the other. Before he went to that Liv nonsense Rahm was the best in the world there for a couple of years. That hot headedness that is part of his make up didn’t stop him getting to number one in the world is all we can say for definite.

    Shane is a different level but that part of his personality that blew up in the 3rd round and had a detrimental effect on his chances is part of his competitive nature. He wouldn’t have got into contention in the first place if he didn’t have that competitive aggressive side to him. He doesn’t like losing. He has one Major and loads of money, he could easily sit back and rest on his laurels. He wants to win more. If you were to take away his hatred of losing he’d no longer be a contender for these tournaments. Ideally you want that competitiveness allied with being cool calm and collected. They’re not all built like that though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,406 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'd say that LIV giving Rahm 550 million, a private jet and 10 staff took a bit of the appetite from him. It would with me anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭stanley1


    Never really recovered from double bogey on 8th Saturday, maybe been listening too much to Rory in his ear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,689 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He missed a bunch of short putts so he could have shot +2 or 3.



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