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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Hard to admit but the Irish government doesnt care about us and cares more about refugees and the EU than us .

    What Irish community wants undocumented refugees hanging around all day getting dole money and a free gaff?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I honestly believe that the future of the European Union is at stake. Continued mass immigration from some of the poorest countries in the world will lead to calls to shut up borders and the election of the likes of Le Pen in France & AfD in Germany over the next few years. In fact if the AfD take power in Germany you can kiss goodnight to the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Plenty of skilled migrants coming to the country, without whom we would not be able to function.

    Asylum Seekers are not the same as skilled migrants.

    Number of irish leaving each year is broadly the same as the numbers returning, though the ones returning are more likley to be parental age rather than 20's/early 30s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There is a threat to the EU, certainly.

    But then look at the UK. Not part of the EU and experiencing the same problems. Leaving the EU wouldnt stop global asylum migration.

    The real solution is in helping the world's poorer countries avoid mass migration in the first place.

    Very very difficult to achieve, as we all know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Brendan O'Connor said that journalists are being attacked in these immigration protests. One had her car damaged. Sunday Papers review so not sure which ones.

    I know there are issues with the media but there is zero honour in attacking journalists. It should never happen, no excuse.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep, I think the EU will break up over immigration. Maybe in 10+ years after the numbers get astronomical.

    Sorry this was a reply to @Peter Flynt

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    More Irish people are leaving this country than returning. There are indeed skilled migrants coming here with many working in the health sector where massive shortages in staff remain. Asylum seekers are generally from poor countries with poor education systems, and many are here to stay. So you have skilled leaving, some skilled immigrating and now vast numbers of unskilled also immigrating.

    What's the plan for the unskilled? Give them free jobs, houses and benefits for life? Because I don't see what the alternative is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    David Quinn the absolute freak from Iona? No thanks. He'd have the whole country back under Roman control. I detest all organised religion and we've known about the ageing population for decades.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Terrier2023


    The skilled migrants like the phillipino nurses the lebanese doctor whom i had an encounter with, superb, the indian tech workers all great,they came in legally BUT they all go home they send money home and their ultimate goal is to have a big saving in order to live in their native countries with their extended families. working here means they can educate their kids in the homeland. They will not be here to pay our pensions like our own natives, nor will their off spring they will be in their various countries claiming a pension therein lies the crux of the whole issue. We are being falsly told they will pay for our old age they wont already Germany is flailing with a social welfare budget for migrants remember a million were invited in .

    A government minister only thinks in the short term while he has a bit of power he feasts and strategizes on how he can stay in his little seat he goes with the flow to endear himself to bigger powers and votes with them, eats with them and climbs the greasy pole all the while ignoring what his blind ambition does to his constituency & the country in general . Ivan Yates says this in his memoir. The minute a person gets into government he spends the next 4 years working on how to stay there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    I think the real solution is border security and patrol boats returning them back to France



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Irish leaving and returning is broadly the same. About 30k each way, annually.

    Asylum migration is certianly an issue, i agree. We have to find a way to balance our infrastructure against the numbers of asylum seeekers arriving and there does not seem to be any coherent plan to acheive this.



  • Posts: 121 [Deleted User]


    I hope it wasn't Kitty Holland, that would be terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    If they choose to go home to india, they are still paying taxes whilst they work here and are supporting our economy today. Paying our pensioners, building our roads, hospitals and schools etc.

    If they decide to go home to india, their job is taken by someone else who then pays our taxes for us.

    The real risk is when the job itself dissapears, and nobody pays anything into the irish coffers. Thats when the system collapses.



  • Posts: 121 [Deleted User]


    I always think it's a very poor stance to attack a person rather than the content of what they are saying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I would usually agree with you. Message more important than the messenger. I'd agree 99% of the time.

    But when it comes to Iona, they are complete religious freaks. They would have Mother and Baby homes still open. Very anti-women even though they wheel out Mrs Stein to prove the opposite. No, Iona are firmly on the Ignore list.

    I think Quinn himself is a psychopath. He will certainly use the immigration crisis to his own ends. Don't be fooled.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    No the real solution is doing what Poland does and saying no. We're signed up to some archaic post WW2 humanitarian laws that tie your hands behind your back. That's the real issue. Countries like Poland, Hungary etc they're taking flack for their anti immigration stances but they still do it.

    In Polands case they clearly had no issue with culturally similar people from Ukraine. The key factor here is being culturally similar. It creates stability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The numbers leaving and returnng differ by about 1-2 thousand in the past 5 years .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    I do agree with this to a certain extent.

    We took over our own country in 1922 and then handed control of it to the RCC. After they lost power we handed it to the EU. It almost seems at times that the troika never left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,250 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Ireland doesnt have a mainstream political party that would take that approach. FG are the centre right party, but in reality, they are centre left on social issues, along with FF and SF even further left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭prunudo


    It shows the disconnect between the government, media classes and with the citizens who are protesting. The media and government contuinually use inflammatory language and print lies about the people in these communities.

    Not condoning violence or criminal damage, but is it any wonder there is a push back against journalists from certain publications when they are merely government propaganda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    There is a big difference between "pushback" and attacking journalists. It's an absolute No-No in my book. Zero excuse. Violence or wilful damage against journalists is beyond contempt.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I agree, no time for violence, but you'd be niave to think that journalists who smear and use inflammatory language wouldn't be run. But given how a minority in the community have behaved, I'm also not surprised it got heated.

    So, maybe its time these journalists were more mindful of how they report. Because communities do not trust the government, the gardai, rte or other media, they see them all as being against the communities in question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,534 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Do you really think the thugs attacking journalists knew who they were or read the Sunday papers?

    I don't agree with Censorship either. Have you noticed the inflammatory language on Boards?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,449 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not 'communities' : "extremist elements within local communities"…..ordinary people in these areas are not going to be overly pushed about how these agitators and extremists are being reported by the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    See its all happening in dundalk now today

    Govt need to grow a pair and show some leadership



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,761 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭giseva


    Non-nationals with f#$k all connection to communities or Ireland for that matter will police us at some stage in the future(all ready are in some cases). That's inevitable I'm afraid when you have EDI or DEI or whatever bullshit is the cool thing. Dr. Ebun Joseph and her like minded pals will see to that.

    There's an EDI head in our PAS actively pushing for an increase in ethnic minorities being recruited into our public services, a kind of good racism, if you like.

    The problem is how that goal is achieved. Recruitment competitions aren't free for alls. They're numbers driven and budgeted for. So there's a limit on the number of successful applicants to whatever the service in question is. How do you increase ethnic minorities or whatever the wanted increase category is, if you have a limited number of positions? That's right, somewhere along the line, white Irish Paddy (of course it's a man) will exceed the allowed quota. Crazy.

    This has already happened in the RAF recently with leaked emails referring to the filtering out of 'useless white male recruits' to fast track ethnic minorities, think a senior officer lost his job over it if I'm not mistaken.

    Generally, I've no issue with someone from outside of Ireland serving Ireland if they've gotten there on merit and competency, but it should never be allowed to happen that an Irish person misses out on serving Ireland because they're Irish, or white, or male!

    Though, with our young people being forced to leave the country due to the cost of.....everything....there probably won't be enough around to fill our allowed quotas in the future anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    ROG saying migrants are still going into Coolock . Lol



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Video On twitter showing inside. It's a burnt out shell

    Someone will end up dead



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