?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

Jesus but he looks absolutely terrible there. No way he's able for a campaign. What is the problem with the Dems that they didn't find a younger candidate and organise a transition in that time? That's a **** show.

Very funny half way through the 2 hours of it😀

Latest betting odds

Trump 4/11

Harris 7/2

Biden 8/1

How could they not learn though? The Republicans seem so unimpressive. I know American politics is different to ours, but they really sound like complete idiots. How on earth could you not come up with a credible candidate against them? I really find it so shocking how inarticulate they are, and I assume they've been preparing for these speeches for quite a while. But I suppose they deserve what's coming their way if the best they could do was a choice between Trump or Biden.

Yes! But surely there were plenty in the party that could see that? It's not like he aged overnight! I just find really strange that they didn't 'manage him out', given his age and the gaffs. And looking at the competition here, it's not like you'd need to come up with an Einstein! I've watched too much West Wing....

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html

Conflicting reports on whether Biden will end his campaign or just tell everyone **** off. He seems to be in angry mode of late.

Now that he has Covid maybe he will just hide away and ignore all the calls for him to step down.
He looked absolutely knackerd walking around that Mexican restaurant.

It could well be "The Dems" don't have a choice.

Biden could be the best chance they have.

The alternatives are not great. America don't have a notion of giving a woman the top job, let alone a woman of color. I'd imagine we are a fair few elections away from that happening. So that rules out Kamala.

So realistically that leaves Newsom. Who certainly has aspirations of a White House bid, but I very much doubt he wants to walk into this shít show and will bide his time for 2028 unless he can be convinced otherwise.

So the likes of Schiff calling for Biden to step aside has not offered any credible alternative, unless he wants it himself.

Also Schiff saying Biden is not up to the job whilst also saying he will support him regardless won't work with voters.

"The Dems" are spectacular fúcking this up which is hilarious when you watch the creepy horror show that is the RNC convention, which looks like an episode of Black Mirror inspired by the Stepford Wives directed by Jordan Peele.

Biden struggles to walk and can barely speak at times. Biden is definitely not the their best chance.

Nah, he should go.

Someone younger should come in, then the other side can’t complain about someone old running.

Warming to Kamala or Gavin Newson.

@2:11 he can barely speak, interviewer left baffled by what he is saying. This Joe Biden is not going to turn around an election.
Dems need a candidate who can walk and who can talk…. That’s not asking much.

Yes I think they could elect her. If her campaign has a clear message and she communicates it well.

Thing is, they will find something else about the new candidate to relentlessly complain about.

The obvious choice if he were to go is Harris but regardless of age I’m sure Trump would prefer to run against her, America doesn’t seem ready to vote for a female minority President. MAGA types will scream DEI and Trump will go with the angle of having the experience to do the job again.

I do find the relentless calls in the media for ‘someone else’ a little disingenuous when it’s followed by ‘doesn’t matter who, someone young would easily win’. Part of me feels there’s many that would love Biden out of the way simply because there’s very little to attack him about outside of being old, and the only thing Trump has managed to do is outright lie when comparing presidencies.

There’s legitimate concerns about Biden being able to do another 4 years but replacing him isn’t as simple as it’s being made out to be.

She might get elected she might not. It’s no certainty though far more likely than Biden on my opinion.

Electoral demographics are valid discussion but Biden is a frail weak old man that has to be lead around a restaurant, struggles to handle stairs and losses his train of thought during softball interviews. Biden is fundamentally a broken candidate.

Obama was elected and was black. Hillary would have most likely been elected if it wasn’t for Comey/fbi investigation. Colour and gender aren’t some insurmountable factors.

Fair enough, you have your opinion and I have mine. If Harris is the dems nominee we will see how she does.