What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

Never mind your list, you can go as per your question and

' will give me the same rights and freedoms I enjoy in Ireland. As a Christian white man ? As a gay female Jew ? For example.'

None it seems.

Again, not relevant as I never claimed Iran to be democratic. You're the one who thinks democracy means you know about Islamic culture.

I claimed that what you know little **** all about islamic culture, but that doesn't stop you from posting lies and bullshit.

You haven't challeneged, and if you don't challenge it now, we're done here.

Not according to the index I referred to.

And can you outline where on the index it says that you cannot live freely as a white Christian man, with the same rights and freedoms you have in Ireland, in those countries I listed?

The index also seems to have a number of non Muslim countries lower down on their list also, what does that prove? That non Muslim countries are less 'free' then Muslim countries?

I'm not sure why the need to argue that there are no democratic Muslim countries, when everyone knows that there are!

Ah you are nit picking now. The table I referred to clearly ranks counties based on various indexes. The ones you listed were way down the table. And some way way down the table. I certainly would not live in any of those counties based on that index. I'm not going to discuss anymore.

I mentioned two examples including gay Jewish female.

And going back to the Christian line and pick just one of the "stans" you mentioned ..

from Wikipedia

"With the governments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Zia ul-Haq, more stringently Islamic laws transformed Pakistan. Conversion to other faiths than Islam is not prohibited by law. Extremely controversial were the blasphemy laws, which made it treacherous for non-Muslims to express themselves without being accused of being un-Islamic. Zia also introduced the Sharia as a basis for lawmaking, reinforced by Nawaz Sharif in 1991. Coerced conversions to Islam from Christianity are a major source of concern for Pakistani Christians, and the minority faces threats, harassment and intimidation tactics from extremists.[49] The Christian community in Pakistan encounters significant challenges, discrimination, and persecution solely based on their religious identity. The law enforcement and justice system, as well as the presence of "blasphemy" laws and bonded labor, are often exploited to target, trap, and imprison religious minorities, with a particular focus on Christians.[50][51]"

Maybe, but nothing like the level of freedom, democracy, press freedom we have here. And you ignored my point on Christianity in Pakistan (for example).

Ok thanks. Certainly we are very lucky to live in Ireland.

The thing that annoys me is that when people complain about Ireland and the counties they come from are clearly in much worse states and much less tolerant.

And I also believe we only hear one side of the story in "the west" and we judge people on western values and morals, which can be very questionable at times, and ignore the consequences of past imperialism by western powers. Which is especially annoying since Ireland was never part of that resource grab.

Anyway, no longer responding on this topic.

The modern far left have more in common with National Socialism than Communism. Heavy use of groundless accusations, silencing people with different view points in an often extremely violent manner, espousing an ideology that has no room for other ideologies, street thugs like Antifa that resemble the Sturmabteilung (SA), they're fanatically loyal to a doctrine most of them can't articulate, they're extremely prejudiced to a certain part of the demographic simply because of their race and gender (white males). They love to call people Nazi's but they are by far the closest thing to modern National Socialists with the exception of actual modern National Socialists.

Claiming Ireland is free is also funny when well over 50% of the adult population relies on state benefits to get by, and when that number rising is part of the government plan for controlling the people. Soft power.

It's amazing to me that Europeans don't see how controlled they actually are. It really is like animal farm as long as you get just enough to live you don't care what those in power are getting.

To be fair...the far right have actually been acting out their killing people daydreams.

According to The Guardian, the only death resulting from an anti-fascist attack recorded in the database was that of Willem van Spronsen, who was shot dead by police while allegedly firebombing a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center in Tacoma, Washington in 2019. In contrast, the study highlighted the fact that 329 people were killed by American white supremacists or other right-wing extremists during the same period.

But at the same time, the far left make heroes out of actual killers who would have had no truck with LBGT or anti racist values like their beloved Ché and Castro.

In an interview in 1965, Castro explained that homosexuality was “a deviation of that nature clashes with the concept we have of what a militant communist should be.” In his diary, Guevara referred to black people as “those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing.” He also thought white Europeans were superior to people of African descent, and described Mexicans as “a band of illiterate Indians.”

I think there’s a fairly big class divide in this country. You have the leafy suburb dwelling, pro establishment middle classes and then you have the rabble rousing working classes who aren’t afraid to go out there and protest against government endorsed bullsh!t.
For example, the latter were out protesting against water charges while the former were telling people to suck it up and pay their charges, which is easy for them to say in their comfortable bubbles.
It’s not a recent phenomenon either. An example would be in the 80’s when Martin Cahill would arrange tyre slashing sprees in middle class neighbourhoods in order to stick it up to the system and it’s supporters.

There have been a fair few absolutely heinous crimes committed by the far right over the years alright but I would argue the far left have done far more damage to the fabric of society by their attacks on the family and tradition. The far right haven't really changed society at all since the end of the world war. I don't know how Stalin isn't viewed in the same light as Hitler. I personally would argue Stalin was far worse than Hitler. If Hitler had've stopped at the Anschluss, he'd be considered the greatest statesmen of the 20th century.

What values would those be?

To be hetero and marry and raise a family?

Last time I looked, that was still permitted.