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SA v Ireland test 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Just saw the incident around 30 mins where Jesse Kriel runs straight into Jack Crowley off the ball, which splits Crowley’s nose.

    Blatant and obvious - clear and easily seen. Crowley implores Dickson to review it, and he refuses. What is the TMO looking at there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    A great win yesterday and the big thing was how the younger players played into the team and looked at home there, this tour has blooded these players into the squad and the hard pressure of test rugby with the management building for the future and great to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭leakyboots




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    The 2 threads would make a good study in how positivity and negativity have an exaggerated effect on the weaker human mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Yes he is, look: https://x.com/CianTracey1/status/1812237609252319635

    Plus the way he help set up the try yesterday and was in the right place, right time for the try last week. That combined with all his other duties minus the defence for the Arendse try and I don't think there are many better than Osborne in WR right now as realistically the best 3 15's around the world atm arent playing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No he isn't, that is a good pass, not an example to show he is one of the best 15's in the World



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Gianna Breezy Wintergreen


    Calling him one of the best in the world is getting a bit carried away but he's very clearly an international level player in multiple positions. Be very hard to leave him out of the 23 now imo. But not sure who loses out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 jimbingo


    Not sure SA are such a good team , they are a physical team , Pollard kicks their points , they have two flying wingers ( when not slipping of course ) and a large heavy pack. They lack creativity - especially at 10 , 12, 13 . Seem to have a blinkered and aggressive game plan , which if one stands up to it nullifies the threat.


    . Libok at 10 and their replacement 15 Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu have a spark in them all right though having won back to back world cups it’s perhaps understandable that they keep their one dimensional physical dominance game plan . However if you front up (as Ireland did ) there appears to be nothing else . The bombs squad are turning into a damp squib.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Well, for the sake of world rugby hopefully it doesnt successed again, rugby is in trouble in many places , not to mention the oncoming collision/concussion court cases,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Not just the pass, everything else I mentioned. You wont see many better FB's in world rugby over this window and it's fair to say Osborne is firmly in this category. Probably not quite ready to take over Keenan as Keenan is truly world class but he'd be the clear starter for most test teams in world rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Nah disagree, lets get carried away as you only live once. The reality is if SA,ENG,FRA had a player play the way he did over these two games we'd never hear the end of it, sadly we seem to be too modest to celebrate how good some of our players are but judging by this window so far he's definitely up there, certainly better than Willie le poo anyway and there are too many other's to mention.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Willemse, SFM, Williams, Hanekom... there's a ton of talented players waiting in the wings. I wonder who they'll pick against Portugal and if they'll play a more expansive style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Bar Williemse all those players look really good URC level players, still have alot to prove to show they can step up to International rugby and seamlessly step in for an experienced international (like Osborne, for example, did).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Think Rassie indicated he’ll change the whole 23 for Portugal.

    I’m excited by Sanele Nohamba, the Lions 10. He is an excellent talent and absolutely electric to watch. Hope they give him a chance to start next week, and the Sharks 10 Siya Masuku had an incredible season too.

    As I said on another thread, that XV that started yesterday had 13/15 players over 30 (and the other two are 28 years old) so they definitely have some transition to do over the next while.

    Post edited by FtD v2 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,371 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Doris definitely motioned towards Kolbe, but I don't think he touched him and Kolbe slipped (I'm being charitable to Kolbe).

    If the DG hadn't gone over would the TMO had looked at the tackle on Doris two phases before the DG? We'll never know, but sometimes incidents like that get missed at the end of games because refs blow the final whistle amd there is no time to look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Dicksen blew the whistle then went and checked for obstruction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    If Kolbe had just slipped, he wouldn’t have started waving his arms looking for a penalty. It was a dive, 100%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I don't have any issue with Dickson checking obstruction at the end. It would be poor referring not to. And it was very quickly cleared.

    Looking back the only really awful decision was the penalty against McCarthy for offside. And even then it was only because he ignored the tmo.

    Obviously if Frawley hadn't scored at the end then my opinion would be different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Cheslin Kolbe, what a **** cheat.

    Blatant piece of absolute gamesmanship. Embarrassing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The Boks are after Matty Williams now becuase he questioned the 6-2/7-1 bench



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Given everything he'd missed to that point, Dickson would probably need some serious persuasion to look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Neither Nohamba nor Masuku is in the squad. You are probably looking at a backline of Vd Berg/Williams, LibbokFeinberg-Mngomezulu, Mapimpi, Esterhuizen, Am, Edwil Van Der Merwe and Fassi/Feinberg-Mngomezulu as the backline if they change the 23 for the next match. I am not sure he can change the whole 23, maybe the starting 15 with some of the bench getting some starting minutes.

    If you look at the current squad and the players outside of the World Cup starters there isn't a lot of experience there. I do not expect a lot of the starters from yesterday to make the next WC but the next player up is low on caps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_national_rugby_union_team#Current_squad

    As an example this is the players in the current squad (outside of those that was involved in the World Cup final last year and Marx, who would have been in the 23 without a doubt) and their caps,

    Grobelaar (hooker) - 0

    Wessels (hooker) - 0

    Koch (34 years old - prop) - 51

    Steenekamp (prop) - 2

    Jason-Dixon (lock) - 1

    Moerat (lock) - 4

    Buthelezi (loose forward) - 0

    Roos (loose forward) - 6

    Van Den Berg (scrum half) - 0

    Reinach (34 years old - scrum half) - 32

    Williams (scrum half) - 10

    Feinberg-Mngomezulu - 2

    Am (30 years old - centre) - 35

    Esterhuizen (30 years old - centre) - 17

    Mapimpi (33 years old - wing) - 42

    Van Der Merwe (wing) - 1

    Fassi (fullback) - 3

    So take out the players 33 and older and that is a total of 80 caps of which Am and Esterhuizen has 52 of them. They will need to get the younger players into the squad soon to build up their experience, which should in turn mean a drop-off in results. So Rassie going from 65% currently to about 60%, which is about normal for a SA head coach winning record.

    The problem with the 6/2 or 7/1, if you get early injuries, especially in the backs, it totally throws out of kilter what you want to do. Add in injuries in the forwards it made it impossible to have a bomb squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Masuku is in the standby squad, so was presuming some of those would come in for this Portugal game.

    Seems little point in selecting guys like Esterhuizen and Mapimpi against Portugal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Seems little point to play the WC final team in these 2 tests when most of them will not be around in 3 years time.🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Just to add the following players have been added to the squad for SA - Elrigh Louw, Ntuthuko Mchunu, Quan Horn, Andre-Hugo Venter, and Ruan Venter.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Quan Horn sounds like a GoT character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Rassie was not a very happy man that Ireland beat him in WC

    He was expecting a 2-0 series win, he wasn't very happy yesterday either

    ireland winning in SA is a huge deal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Great end to a very good season. Bringing through Crowley, Nash, Joe Mc, Osbourne and I’d add Frawley, is a very tidy bit of coaching. Blade also impressed under insane pressure. I can see Frawley pressuring Crowley next season, he was excellent in SA. Only bit of pissing I’ll do on the parade is that I thought Connor was glacial in the first 20 and we were lucky Ezebeth’s rhythm was interrupted by his injury as he was eating up the ground it gave him. CM seemed to revert to an old habit of taking one or two lateral steps and pumping before releasing his passes. Drove me crazy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Must say I was very happy with the performance overall. Bencheffort was enormous, particularly from Cian & Caolan.

    The win was a bonus



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