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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Posts: 317 [Deleted User]


    I took a lot of pleasure tonight in watching the disappointment on the faces of people who support English football clubs but came out to the pub to watch the match hoping that England would lose.

    Also, most of the Euro 2024 matches were like watching paint dry…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Irish people expressing schadenfreude over England losing are just petty and mean spirited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Charlo30


    Yep. And much of the same people will in 4/5 weeks from now be cheering or crying, depending on weather their favourite Premier League team had won or lost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, not all muslim countries are like that, most of them are much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    Most of those clubs would only have a couple of England players. And I think most of those Irish people don't want to listen to the English media going on about a tournament win, although it might make them shut up about 1966. 😄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I don't like ensuite bathrooms. Everyone seems to think they are essential. I'd prefer not to have one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Can't thank this enough.

    Most en-suites I've seen are too small and too close to beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    Restoration of capital punishment for serial killer types. Stricter sentencing guidelines for repeat offenders, loss of civil rights like in the US after becoming an habitual criminal but with a scheme to regain them and to have your records sealed if you maintain a good character and conviction free for five years. Also, routinely armed police force, we do live in the age of terrorism after all. I have been told I have a strong sense of justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You've a strong sense of punishment. People with a strong sense of justice would equally focus on crime prevention rather than fantasising about punishing imaginary serial killers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    Serial killers aren't imaginary, we just don't have any notorious ones like the USA or UK etc. and when it does happen they ought to die for their heinous crimes. Ireland's far too soft on crime, I'm not talking about executing every Tom, Dick and Harry but it should be there if it's ever needed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Right, like I said, fantasising about punishing imaginary serial killers.

    I suspect whoever said you have a strong sense of justice, had a strong sense of humour. I'm not sure you got the joke though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    There's a long list of woman who have disappeared in Ireland. It's likely Larry Murphy is a serial killer but that's besides the point, it was a small part of my opinion. If you don't think that sentencing in Ireland is extremely lenient then that's the joke here. 120 convictions and you broke into and old ladies house and nearly beat her to death? 1.5 years with six months suspended. I want people to reap what they sow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Oh right, you're doubling down on the imaginary serial killers. Fair play.

    On your second point, it depends. I'd follow the research, and I'm not well versed on the research. I know through my work there's research that says short term sentences are a complete disaster in the UK. There's a lack of joined up services inside and outside prison. Drug rehabilitation is severely lacking, mental health services are similarly lacking.

    For example someone goes into, or out of, prison and their prescriptions don't follow them. They have to register for a doctor and get a new prescription for anti psychotic drugs or methadone. So they quite often have a psychotic episode or go on the rob for drug money.

    Often they have nowhere to live so they sofa surf with friends who use drugs and they're back to square 1.

    So, to answer your question, it's complicated. If you enjoy fantasising about punishing criminals, go ahead. If you want to actually reduce crime and reduce the number of victims of crime, then it will take more than punishment fantasies. Treating mental health related crimes in secure mental health hospital and drug related crime in secure rehabilitation, would be one obvious start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    What's your obsession with fantasies? You were the one that honed in on the serial killer thing. I'm not talking about minor criminals who largely harm themselves more than anyone else. I'm talking about incorrigable criminals who prey on the vulnerable and commit heinous crimes over and over again with little consequence. There has to be a point where enough is enough. I could spend the next hour digging up cases where the sentences were so lenient that I question the sanity of the judge but I have better things to do and it only makes my blood boil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    And yet not all Muslim countries are strict Islamic states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Yes rehabilitation is important but its more important is protect society from scum. Unfortunately judges care more about criminals than they do about victims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,986 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ….should be easy to convince the public that their taxes would substantially rise due to this harder on crime approach, shouldnt be an issue at election time!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    Would you volunteer to be part of such a cull or is it anyone but you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They aren't civilized either, all of them are bad to horrible on things like human rights, freedom and democracy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,397 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Absolutely untrue. You're just showing your prejudice there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    OK. I presented a set of ideas which relate to harm reduction which you declined to comment on. If you were interested in reducing crime, you'd have been interested. But you're only focused on punishment AFTER the crime has been committed and AFTER the victim has been created.

    That's why your mate took the p1ss out of you saying you had a strong sense of justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You don't have to give a shyte about the criminal to want rehabilitation, secure mental health units for prisoners with severe mental ill health, training, education, meaningful occupation in prison and housing and job placements when they get out of prison. It's not about the criminal, it's about them not committing more crimes and creating more victims.

    It can be all about preventing making victims in the future. It would cost money in the short term though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭teediddlyeye


    From a purely aesthetic point of view. The 1863 Confederate Navy Jack is one hell of a class looking flag.

    Shame.

    "I never thought I was normal, never tried to be normal."- Charlie Manson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    Go on so share a bathroom so with 5 others in a shared house..where no one wants to clean the bathroom. UUgh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭ruth...less


    I use my ensuite for storage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    At least they won something in 66.

    We never shut up about Italia 90, where we won... nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭Sponge25


    If there is one thing I have in abundance it's empathy. Ofcourse there needs to be a strong focus on rehabilitation (hence me saying there ought to be a scheme where one can earn there way back into good standing as a fellow citizen by being conviction free and of maintaining a good character for say 3-5 years. There's a huge problem (especially in countries like America) were felons who truly want to and make a good faith effort to go straight can't because of their convictions, this is why I suggested some sort of a scheme to seal a persons records after they have proven themselves reformed by maintaining a good character for certain period, this way potential employers won't know about their past (some crimes would be exempt from the scheme such as sex offenders and other paticularly heinous crimes as it doesn't serve the common good to allow these types to have their convictions sealed). Here's the thing, i'm not talking about what were once termed 'ordinary decent criminals', i'm talking about the scum of the Earth who have commit extremely heinous crimes over and over again and have sometimes have hundreds of convictions yet get extremely lenient sentences over and over again. I remember reading about an animal who raped his daughter for over 13 years and he got about 18 months, is this what you advocate? I advocate appropriate sentencing. One more thing life should mean an entire natural life sentence, if a judge doesn't think that's appropriate he can give a more appropriate sentence. Heinous crimes deserve harsh sentence, do you not agree?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    I agree with this, a person's record should be wiped after ten years if they don't reoffend, now im excluding very serious crimes like murder , man slaughter, rape, armed robbery or serious assault



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