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Russia-Ukraine War

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭rogber


    Another day, another step closer to Stalinism:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,091 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Both sides will exaggerate the opposite side's casualties and downplay their own. Any figures need to be taken with a grain of salt.

    Russia does care far less about their disposable troops and take their cannon fodder from areas far from Moscow and St Petersburg to keep the middle classes in their comfort zone.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The author Zeihan has his moments and appears to know what he's on about and sometimes does. However when he starts to talk on subjects we might be more familiar with in Ireland/Europe it's pretty clear he's a man of Big Statements© that sell well on Joe Rogan, but realities not so much. Divining the future is an inexact science, so when someone claims it's not, well… He's also obsessed with demographics and there can be a large element of if all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

    You give a good example at the end. Pre this war Russia was apparently going to be alright, then magically wasn't. Why? Because that's what his audience now wanted to hear so his script changed. He's been claiming China will collapse next year for over a decade because that's also what his audience wants to hear. Like many commentators, but particularly American ones steeped in their culture of sales, it's all about selling to their audience. Wrongly attributed to Napoleon England was once simplistically described as a nation of shopkeepers in a sideways compliment on how their empire grew and sustained itself. I would equally simplistically and for similar reasons describe America as a nation of salesmen, so tend to ask what a particular American commentator is trying to sell and to what market.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If it includes Wagner, mercenaries, conscripts from the 'annexed' regions it seems possible … we have seen how they've been used as cannon fodder.

    There were figures posted earlier in the thread on hundreds of thousands of extra Russians appearing on disability welfare lists. The figure is for deaths and severely wounded.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I do wonder if they'll materialise on RT as talking heads. I don't think so somehow, as desperate as the Russians likely are for anglophone supporters to stick infront of the camera, they seem to have at least some better options currently than Daly or Wish.com's answer to Worsel Grummidge.

    Specking of Wish.com, I would guess it's more likely that they end up doing something for CGTN / China Daily. Beijing aren't particularly picky when it comes to their European propagandists and their pickings of native English speakers has been slimming lately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I wonder what this new military agreement between Ukraine and Poland will mean in practice https://www.euronews.com/2024/07/08/poland-and-ukraine-sign-unprecedented-military-agreement

    "Kyiv has committed to exploring new ways of shooting down all Russian missiles and drones in Ukrainian airspace that are headed in the direction of Poland together with Warsaw,"

    I wonder how they define "heading in the direction of Poland". Can Polish forces only shoot them down within a certain distance of the Polish border, or can it be done in Eastern Ukraine even?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What about the rest of them? McDonald? Holly Cairns? O'Gorman? Leo? Was Paul Murphy asked for his thoughts on the attack? Any media clips?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    "I'm not saying target a whole city like UK did to Hamburg but we should do to the Russians what the UK did to Hamburg"

    Fantastic logical argument there fella. PC-gone-mad rant thrown in for good measure. What are you, 14? School holidays?

    Again, just to be clear… its not 728,000 killed, but includes wounded and captured. Is there any breakdown given? Who do they count as wounded - shrapnel wound? leg blown off? If a soldier is wounded on a few separate occasions over the past couple of years, is he a multi-casualty?

    How many are Ukraine claiming as killed now, anyone know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well, you have to add on suicides, accidents and the ones shot by barrier troops. That might come to thousands more.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Ah come on now. Don't be implying that anybody not seen on TV loudly condemning this is somehow condoning it.

    The Irish position on Russian brutality is pretty clear and consistent, and similar among all the main parties.

    The only ones who would even consider condoning the strike on the children's hospital would be possible extremists like Daly or Wallace, but who cares what they think. Are they even elected representatives anymore ? And I doubt even they would condone this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's my exact point. The poster I quoted selectively picked a few 'left' candidates and implied that they won't condemn the attack. I agree completely with your statement and was just highlighting how he conveniently left off every other political spectrum to suit his agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    For context, the Soviet Union 'only' suffered about 10m killed and 14m injured in the entirety of WW2.

    Even 1/25 of the losses seems inconceivable given that a) they are fighting just one opponent on the battlefield, b) that opponent has effectively no air force and c) it's only half the time period of WW2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The British had 420,000 casualties from one offensive, the Somme, in WW1.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭paul71


    d) Russia is a fraction the size of the Soviet Union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    They weren’t really “ optional “ wars for either the Soviets or the Brits.
    This war is a choice made by Putin. He can stop it any time.
    He has nukes. Ukraine will not chase them back to Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Not sure where you are getting your figure from, but you might want to check the sources. I've never seen an estimate of Soviet deaths as low as 10m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Pro-rated for Ireland's size, that would correspond to 25.6k casualties. But then also consider that a significant proportion of those killed were probably released prisoners, foreign mercenaries, or poor people that the rest of their society doesn't care about.

    I reckon the number only becomes significant for the average Russian once one of their own circle becomes one of the statistics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Military casualties are in that range I think, which would be the point of comparison with the figures released.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Orwell Road keeping up the nonsense I see

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭phester28


    meanwhile in the real world. There are pictures circulating of the actual missile and its a Russian only produced one. Attacks happened during the day so most likely true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭Field east


    ABSOLUTLY unbelievable and Totally incomphresible. The Irish and other governments of a like mind shouldDOSOMETHING re reorganising their RU embassies / reducing embassy staff or whatever. One idea would be for a number of countries to ‘club together’ and amalgamate their RU embassies into one . There must be a massive reduction in services/trade with a lot of these countries and Russia . Things can be reverted back to normal when are behaves itself- whenever and if ever that will be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,580 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Oh well, that clears that up. It wasn't Russia.

    Must have been somebody else firing missiles at a children's hospital in Kiev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    I agree.

    There is absolutely no need for an embassy in Ireland. A single embassy for all of the EU in some dreary ex-Eastern Bloc village would be more than sufficient. There is no need to "stay in contact" in order to keep an eye on them because you can take it for granted that Vatniks will only ever be up to no good. That's all they're good for and that's all they have to offer humanity.

    I'd also to know more about these notional "Irish citizens" that you hear of still being in Russia; how many of them are KGB goons who were handed a passport after living here for five years or how many of them are useful idiots like that Chay Bowes individual?

    Roust them all out, I say!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Looks like the south Asian countries are beginning to wise up with regard to their people being fed into the meat grinder

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah, I'll be honest I was against shutting the embassy at the outbreak of the war, but at this point I don't see any real reason to keep it. It is clear Russia will not normalise relations with the west any time soon and any Irish people still in Russia (as our embassy will 100% be evicted) are pretty much idiots so screw it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,953 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,953 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    A court in Moscow has issued an arrest warrant for the widow of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny on charges of extremism

    ''In response to the arrest warrant, she
    posted on X: "When you write about this, please do not forget to write
    the main thing: Vladimir Putin is a murderer and a war criminal.

    "His
    place is in prison, and not somewhere in The Hague, in a cosy cell with
    a TV, but in Russia - in the same colony and the same
    two-by-three-metre cell in which he killed Alexei."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,584 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    She's more generous than I. I'd make him endure what so many of his conscripts have: aim a gun to the back of the head and force him to run towards fortified Ukrainian position.

    May he die roaring and terrified.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭myfreespirit


    Murderers who killed children in hospital "are the dregs of humanity" Russian ambassador to Chechia summoned and told to deliver that message to Moscow.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jul/09/ukraine-war-live-kyiv-nato-vladimir-putin-voldymyr-zelenskiy-latest-news



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