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?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't believe for a second that one dickhead didn't know that another dickhead said the same racist remark.

    In any case, the orange dickhead not knowing that the moustached dickhead said the same racist drivel doesn't make it any less racist.

    And he knew exactly who that remark would be appealing to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Oh come on, you're smarter than this.

    When someone mentions the "blood" of a nation, they are clearly talking about a racial makeup. It has nothing to do with it being a "nationalist" sentiment.

    Trump knew damn well what he was saying and who he wanted to get on board with it. One doesn't even touch a sentence like that unless there are certain types you want to reach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, it is not a hoax. I clearly explained why it was not a hoax with reference to the specific quote and the pattern in Trump's similar comments about the Proud Boys, and now topped up with racist drivel about blood.
    I think the images in Overheal's post convey a thousand words about the "fine people" at that event and who Trump was dog whistling to.

    Noted for the fourth time you dodged a pertinent question to the debate. It is obvious to people it was a racist statement by Trump, about "poisoning blood", and the reason you refuse to answer is it would involve you breaking the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil rule about Trump. So your claims here have zero credibility accordingly, when you continually dodge such a pertinent question on the very topic being discussed. Trump's racism. To do so would collapse the house of cards defence you have been maintaining of Trump's vile conduct.

    And "not playing laundry list" or nonsense about a "Dem bubble" is not an answer.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,305 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Polling wise, in the battleground states, the news is not very good for Biden,

    Screenshot 2024-07-08 162615.png

    As far as I can see, even if you assume that Biden can take the narrower lead states like Wisconsin and Michigan, he will still need to flip somewhere like Pennsylvania that holds a good number of electoral votes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I remember the times when Ohio and Florida were battleground states.

    Now they are firmly in the GOP camp.

    Hubris, ignorance and stupidity from the Dems is the result of this.

    Under 4 months out to the election and there is a civil war brewing on if Biden should step aside.

    TBH, they deserve what they get.


    Unfortunately, others will suffer, e.g. Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,305 ✭✭✭✭briany


    As ever, it could be that the polling is wrong, but a couple of things about that - one is that this cuts both ways and the numbers could be underplaying the lead Trump has. The other one is that to say the polling is wrong, but then have it turn out that it was accurate to a reasonable degree, i.e. within a couple of points, it will be seen as ridiculously hubristic after the election takes place.

    Biden's campaign must make an effort that acts like the polling has them behind, even if this is not the case, in order to leave as little on the field as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Biden being behind in polling may work out for him, resulting in higher voter turnout. Republicans lose when turnout is high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,305 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What do you think Trumpist bleating about electoral fraud has been all about? It was never really about reversing the result in 2020 as everyone outside the hardcore MAGA bubble knew that wasn't a goer. It's really been about raising support for the idea of tightening voting regulations that are really just designed to suppress the vote against Trump in areas where lawmakers are in a position to pass these kinds of reforms.

    Now, the only question is how much progress have the Republican party under Trump made with regard to the above? It's a massive question no one here seems to be asking and I must say that I find it rather strange.

    I keep posting this article excerpt from earlier in the year, and it seems to get no response even though the contents are rather alarming,

    [Michael[ Whatley [RNC co-chair], who embraced the former president's baseless claims of widespread voter fraud, said that the RNC "will be focused like a laser on getting out the vote and protecting the ballot," saying that they "hired election integrity directors in battleground states." Those individuals, he said, are "already recruiting and training tens of thousands of volunteers to serve as poll judges workers and observers who will act as real-time monitors whenever votes are being cast and counted."

    "And we will do more," he pledged. "If our voters don't have confidence that our elections are safe and secure, nothing else matters."

    It just serves to point out that the Trump campaign is being very organised, here. Maybe more organised than you know, and sitting back and saying that the polls are probably underestimating the level of support for Biden, or overestimating it for Trump, is the kind of complacency that will lead to complete disaster in November.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,831 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It’s entirely plausible that dickheads would come up with similar, if not identical sentiments which they know would resonate with other dickheads.

    Whether it’s racist, nationalist, jingoistic, etc, I don’t imagine Trump was actually familiar with Hitler having said it (it’s possible his speech writer was though), and it’s equally as likely to have been inspired by Enoch Powell’s effort, which has been doing the rounds on social media for the last couple of years -

    As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'

    Unsurprisingly, much like Trump got it wrong and his supporters didn’t notice, and didn’t care, so too was the case with Powell (and Hitler):

    https://edithorial.blogspot.com/2013/04/how-enoch-powell-got-vergil-wrong.html?m=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Enoch Powel knew who he was trying to appeal to and so did Donald Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,109 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Desperation love to see it, keep your eye on the Donald while the democrats fall to bits Love to see it 😀😀😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you know there is a Trump quote during that hoax interview that Trump said he wasnt including racists in the "fine people" , are you going to say that didnt happen?

    this is why watching US politics is such fun, people are watching different movies on the same screen, reality is kind of broken but in a funny way

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He was dog whistling then so the racist scum could hear what they want to hear about their march being full of fine people. Then dog whistling about the Proud Boys, and then goes full on racist with drivel about the poisoning of blood. The language of white supremacists and the language of racist scum.

    And here you are still defending him on charges of racism, ignoring the evidence staring you in the face, pretending that you're not and it is just 'funny' to you. The obvious shtick of the Trump supporter.

    Fifth time you've ignored the question, and tried to run away from the evidence of Trump's racism, coming from his own mouth.

    This is why the claims in your post have no credibility.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It wouldn't surprise me if Trump genuinely had no idea he was copying Hitler's rhetoric or emulating him.

    The more worrying thing would be that at no point would he consider that a cause for self-reflection or thinking about the effect of him thinking along the same lines as Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    you say it’s a hoax but can’t identify who these fine people were at the Neo Nazi rally!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,464 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They were all racists. All of them. He called them "very fine people".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you should try debunk it yourself with an open mind , you have clearly bought into a particular narrative , but its funny to watch too

    imagine an irish situation lets say involving "traitor's gate" on Stephens Green, not wanting it pulled down would not make you a British Imperialist lover, there would be all kinds of reasons why you would be for/against. Only when we get to the cartoony would of America is everything so binary

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Whataboutery, ignoring the elephant in the room. Trump's actual racism.

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,464 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Whataboutery again. How banal.

    If you want to change my mind, you'll have to put in some effort. Your posts never seem to amount to more than bad faith tactics and remarking how funny you find everything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    its been done, are you prepared to take in "new" information and reassess views?

    https://thehill.com/video/charlottesville-hoax-real-fact-checker-finds-trump-didnt-call-neo-nazis-fine-people/9810879/

    "Charlottesville hoax real?! Fact-Checker finds Trump Didn't call neo-Nazis 'fine people'

    Rising

    Jessica Burbank and Robby Soave react to Snopes fact-check that shows Donald Trump didn't say neo-Nazis are "fine people" in the 2017 Charlottesville "Unite The Right Rally.""

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,464 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He did. They were all neo-Nazis. All of them. He then went on to whine about immigrations poisoning the nation's blood and to try a Hitler-style coup. There's even a 2025 variant of the Enabling Act in the works.

    We've been through all this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,512 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Evidently you are not, or you wouldn't keep running away from Trump's racism and dog whistling.

    He was dog whistling, using weasel words like 'fine people' to dog whistle to racist scum.

    There weren't many fine people at the rally, it was a rally of racists.

    It is all part of a pattern with Trump, culminating in him directly invoking the language of the 'fine people':

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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