Russia-Ukraine War

Beautifully put Sir.

Aye we got the full Vatnik talking points list today alright. Easily discounted. Russian propaganda, even more than most propaganda, relies on very short memories. It generally seems to run on a monthly cycle. That and throwing as much confusion into the mix as possible. I suspect because that's what worked with the home crowd, so they figured it could be exported. To be fair to them, to some degree it can. EG western conspiracy nuts, who the Kremlin have certainly focused on. If you know/read/listen to any Western conspiracy theorist(Do your own research man!) it's a near certainty they're a recently minted Russian supporter. I know a few in Real Life© and their amnesia and ability to memory hole the past can be quite staggering and not just on this subject.

I always found the Boris Johnson thing laughable and for a few reasons. For a start this is the same Boris who was in bed with "connected" Russians in the UK, even got a peerage for one, who visited ex KGusedtoB high rollers in Italy when he was the UK foreign secretary(unaccompanied) and rattled the UK's intelligence services about his connections so much they went public with their misgivings. Secondly the Boris tale only got trotted out many months after the Russians legged it from Kiev. It took a year before putin said he had documents to prove it, which got memory holed themselves. Their original story was it was a Tactical Feint™. Remember that? It was a big talking point at the time. Russian simps apparently don't remember, though they repeated it ad nauseam at the time. Most of all we know it's 24 karat bollocks because the talks he was supposed to have scuppered continued for a month after he came and went. They hope you forgot that too. Well, it's been a few years…

They've also memory holed the biolabs, the weaponised birds and insects, dirty bombs, gas attacks, German troops in German tanks, a Russian coup that never happened, never you mind, etc. Remember the recent horrific terror attack in Moscow blamed on Ukraine in a roundabout way? Of course you do. It seems they don't any more. Totally off the Vatnik feed.

As for the one of the few consistent lines; whataboutism re America's wars, they hope you forget that post WW2 until the 91 the vast majority of those wars were proxies with the Soviets/Chinese. Post 91 and the Soviet Union falling on its arse America was left with a military hard on and nowhere obvious to stick it, but soon found a few places. Meanwhile Russia in between crazy internal lawlessness and hardship in the 90's was also happy to invade neighbouring nations and kept doing it.

Now I find it interesting in the mindset that it does seem - and we can read that earlier - you'll note your Vatnik makes the distinction between fighting/invading nations at a distance like the US does and invading neighbours like Russia does. The latter is alright and above board, the former a heinous sin. They also have the same blindspot when it comes to the Russian Empire and how it came to be. IE the Brits/French etc were imperialistic bastards because they went overseas to colonise and conquer, but Mother Russia was OK because they went overland. I know a few Russians, like them too, but it's staggering how blind this particular blindspot is.

What the Book of Tankie omits about this talking point is Russia was the second most corrupt. What it also leaves out is Ukraine was improving in the world corruption rankings over the last decade, Russia was getting worse.

You can also tell when scripture is been read from the Book of Tankie; they use the same links. Pre war links, some going back ten years, from the British Guardian a fave among Western outlets.