Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

GOP chair:

“The mainstream media wants us to think of ourselves as a democracy because that leads to socialism.”

It is evident what they think of democracy.

As for the US being better under Trump. How many dead from COVID? One of the world's worst responses when they had time to plan out before it reached them. Is dead better?

Did you mean going to "DISOBEY" orders as in a treasonous act or are you accepting of the possibility that Trump is acting as an unregistered foreign agent not compliant with the laws of the US? It's irritating the way some people apparently make mistakes in their keyboard writings giving false impressions on the content of their postings and intents.

Christy, you're forgetting the Trump supporters who wore Red t-shirts at a Trump rally professing a loyalty to living under a different form of governance to that of the US, if given the choice between living in a Democratic country and one run by Putin and his fellows [better red than dead].

There were discussions about a degree of "future proofing" by NATO and some European allies. Not too sure as to the efficacy of those efforts. Like many things, time will tell.

This thread every now and then spirals into this...

"The Gish gallop (/ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡæləp/) is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by abandoning formal debating principles, providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments and that are impossible to address adequately in the time alloted to the opponent. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality."

Would probably be Trump slashing assistance to the Ukrainians. Again merely conjecture at the moment.

As regards zones, that was among the zanier theories I have seen online. The Russians taking a chunk of the country, leaving a rump state in the west. The more imaginative have Poland and Hungary taking chunks of Ukraine. Again this is similar to the fantasy maps of the Russian Federation being carved up in multiple republics.

Journalistic ****ing malpractice

Regarding any brokered settlement - what security guarantees would Ukraine receive that Russia could not invade again.

If Putin felt able to go again, he would simply accuse Ukraine of breaching whatever terms were reached and use this as a casus belli.

The "Truth Social" post could be likened-to a disclaimer from a person running for re-election after the failure of the Capitol Building event in Washington, in which he IS directly implicated, forced a reversal and retreat in tactics by him and his criminal pals. It's similar to a "plausible deniability" claim to avoid arrest, charge and conviction in a court of law for some-one who's already had a close brush with the law in the past.

When it comes to using media and linked agencies, t's worth refreshing one's memories on the recent history of the whole Trump election campaign from 2015 onwards. Cambridge Analytics was abandoned by ALL the political heads involved in using it as a tool to spread disinformation and damage.

It's not an official one because it wasn't an act of the President if the US, it was an act by someone who held the office

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Both Russia and Ukraine are in a bad place. The west are keeping Ukraine going by slowly feeding them enough equipment to hurt Russia but there is clearly no intention in the west to help Ukraine win the war.

If Trump gets in I suspect he will try for a fast settlement, not an ideal settlement. I think Trump would stop that war but yes there would be every chance of it flaring up again in the future. However, both sides will sign up as they are both in a poor position.

Lies🤣. I was clearly giving an opinion. I believe eventually there will be negotiations and Ukraine will give up territory to Russia. That is not a lie, its an opinion.

Degenerate scum sounds so much better.

And apt.

That's always the way bullies work isn't it, you give them what they want and they leave your alone forever more. It's a one time deal, they are decent like that...

Instead of calling opinions lies and now propaganda how about you give your opinion on what will happen with the war if Trump gets elected.