Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking

1…396397399401402…566

Comments

  • #11942
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329790#Comment_122329790

    He also doesn't approve of music, dancing, or comedy.

    I think he said this is in the same article. (I'll try to find it).



  • #11943
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's really sad.

    I wonder would being introduced to the sins of the flesh have changed any of them, or would they have spent the rest of their days flagellating themselves as penance?

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #11944
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329899#Comment_122329899

    Thanks for that mental image. 🤮

    Now I'm gone right off my lunch.



  • #11945
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122328980#Comment_122328980

    As for how this ends, how do you think it ends if Burke is convicted of a trespass offence and bound over to keep the peace (which is the likely consequence for a first offender, possible with a three-figure fine)? How does it play out from there?

    He keeps breaking the law and like everyone else on this island is dealt with criminally.

    The school staff and children have been through enough with this odious cretin.

    Time the justice system stepped in. It is absolutely a scandal they haven't at this stage and left the onus on the school to deal with the creep at civil court at huge cost and stress to all involved.

    I'd be pretty confident the Burkes goal is to get Enoch locked up as long as possible for contempt, which is essentially indefinite incarceration without a trial, which is against all sorts of human rights.

    If he is locked up for another 5 or 6 years or longer, their chances of winning at higher court on all sorts of human rights violations could be possible, which would enable them to take the state to the cleaners and vindicate their lunacy.

    Keeping him locked up for contempt is exactly what he wants.

    The state need to stop doing that.



  • #11946
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330069#Comment_122330069

    Considering he has only just been freed jail, where he has remained for the majority of the last two years, and has been warned he will be incarcerated again if he contravenes the existing court order, it is quite something that you think the justice system hasn’t stepped in.



  • Advertisement
  • #11947
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330236#Comment_122330236

    They've stepped in , but they have not solved the problem.

    He will go right back to his same behaviour the second the school re-opens.

    Open ended incarceration for contempt isn't practical and would likely fall under "cruel and unusual punishment" type rules if pursued in higher courts, so some alternative needs to be found.

    See in the US where Navarro and Bannon both got fixed term sentences for Contempt - Something similar here would be good.

    He refuses to clear his contempt so jail him for a fixed term - 6 months say , but it's a criminal conviction.

    He gets out and starts again , he gets 6 months again and so on.

    He's still goes to jail , but at least there's a clearly defined offence and penalty with actual convictions attached.



  • #11948
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I can imagine this still going on in 10 years time.

    Problem is that if you want to stop someone trespassing, what do you do? Lock him up or nothing. It's not like we can put a shock collar on him like a dog. And if we stuck an ankle bracelet on him it would just result in the mayo guards putting up roadblocks 😀


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329790#Comment_122329790

    Yep. It's horrible what the parents did to those children. That's why I mentioned earlier that time with a deprogramming psychiatrist would be best. Thing is as someone mentioned in reply, it's a bit of a slippery slope. Still, it's the only way I can see to resolve it. And it might actually bring some happiness to him.



  • #11949
    Quandary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭Quandary


    Its fairly terrifying to see how completely brainwashed and conditioned a group of intelligent individuals can be. Imagine being intelligent enough to critically evaluate the world around you while simulataneously doing the mental gymnastics required to believe the doctrine the Burkes subscribe to.

    What do you do if your logical highly informed keen mind allows a scary faith challenging question to manifest?

    It must take splitting your brain into two separate independent thought centres where each one refuses to acknowledge the others existence.



  • #11950
    W123-80's
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭W123-80's


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330355#Comment_122330355

    That is kind of what is happening now though! Albeit without a fixed sentence and criminal conviction.

    He is released when the school is closed and when the school reopens and he refuses to clear his contempt he is jailed again.

    I know its not a formal fixed sentence but it in the absence of any other legal route it is the fairest and pretty reasonable.



  • #11951
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329899#Comment_122329899

    Some people take pleasure in that sort of thing. 😶

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330584#Comment_122330584

    Or as Orwell termed it, "doublethink"

    Imagine the mental backflips of a scientist with a strong religious belief (and there are some). "In my professional life I will regard any hypothesis not backed up by evidence as mere speculation. In my personal life I will regard this book as factual, because the book says so."

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Advertisement
  • #11952
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,121 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330636#Comment_122330636

    But this puts the onus on the school to keep on going back to the court (at considerable expense) which is far from ideal.

    Yes I know Burke has fines and costs to pay. He just won't.

    They really need to pull the stops out and get him formally dismissed before the term starts and he goes back inside again.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #11953
    BK5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭BK5


    Always amuses me how well religions and religious people are really clued in when it comes to taking money but no way are they going to hand it back out.

    Does his moral code not extend to taking money for doing absolutely no work? In other words, stealing?



  • #11954
    Quandary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭Quandary


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330974#Comment_122330974

    Ah but he is doing work.

    Gods work, as he no doubt would see it.



  • #11955
    BK5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭BK5


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330995#Comment_122330995

    Well let him go join the missions then 😃



  • #11956
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331001#Comment_122331001

    This is his mission, from God, now I bet.



  • #11957
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330747#Comment_122330747

    Well Sean and Martina obviously did, given that they successfully produced 10 sprogs.

    boards.ie needs your help to survive. Subscribe HERE.



  • #11958
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329402#Comment_122329402

    Looking at Google maps there is nowhere to stand opposite the gates - it's just a ditch. I suppose he could stand in the ditch?

    On the same side as the school there is a sliver of a verge that he could stand on (looks like a metre wide). But if he takes that option he reduces the impact as, presumably some cars/buses that arrive will come from both directions - he won't be passed by all vehicles. Maybe one side is the busier side, he can precariously set up shop on that side?



  • #11959
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122329842#Comment_122329842

    That's not true. I've seen videos of numerous Burke children singing and playing the piano. YouTube has an extended clip, I think Enoch is in it, of some song competition. The song is a Christiany type song but the performance is good - gusto & smiles all round. No need to invent things about them. Their reality is odd enough as is.

    Incidentally, I wouldn't hold it against him for not going to the pub with colleagues. I'd wholly endorse that behaviour me self 😁



  • #11960
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331001#Comment_122331001

    They're not Catholic.

    Plenty of various protestant proselytising groups but I doubt any of them would have him.



  • #11961
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330636#Comment_122330636

    But so far despite 400+ days in jail he has a "clean" record.

    He needs to start racking up actual convictions for this ongoing circus with escalating penalties for repeat offences.



  • Advertisement
  • #11962
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331145#Comment_122331145

    I've never seen him sing, but maybe he doesn't disapprove of hymns, or christian music. Another thing that's big in the US.

    Can't see him getting his groove on to "Dancing Queen"!

    I'll have another go at finding that article :)

    (eta) Found it! (and its actually quite a sad read).

    Ed Sheeran, Daniel O’Donnell and Leo Varadkar are on his blacklist – and an invitation to the pub proved a turning point for evangelical Enoch Burke

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • #11963
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122330355#Comment_122330355

    This is no different to a burglar who reoffends after being released from jail, you hope the penalty of jail the first time would be a deterrent, but unfortunately sometimes it isn’t.
    Jumping up and down and saying he should get a criminal conviction for trespass means absolutely nothing if the penalty is less severe than he has already been served with, and worst of all, the chances of a conviction are poor according to the DPP.
    Just like a burglar who racks up 50 convictions, because they have no intention of changing their way of life, Burke is likely destined to spend more time in jail for contempt. Say he should get a criminal conviction all you want, but if the DPP don’t believe a prosecution will succeed, then all that can be done is rinse and repeat. But as I said, I suspect his resolve will outlast WHS.



  • #11964
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331239#Comment_122331239

    Jesus wept what a sad sack. In the unlikely event there is a god I’d be extremely surprised if he wanted anything to do with Enoch.
    An ‘ungodly man’! They’ll all have sore necks with the looking down at everyone they do. what a waste of life.



  • #11965
    Raichų
    Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122324718#Comment_122324718

    uh misrepresenting the story there, it’s not a communal area, the green is owned by the person who owns the house adjacent.

    The issue there is that the space has always been used communally and the property owner doesn’t want it used as such any longer. The gentleman arrested was technically trespassing but it’s not relevant here anyway.

    Burke has several times entered the school, but even if he just sat at the gates, it’s not on and just weird. I wouldn’t be mighty impressed if a teacher in my kids school got sacked but kept showing up everyday.



  • #11966
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,770 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331218#Comment_122331218

    I suggested that a few pages back. Make trespassing at the school a criminal matter rather than civil and each breach is then a new crime.



  • #11967
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,470 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331239#Comment_122331239

    They sing alright.

    https://youtu.be/uIKG9yYiBbQ?si=akSb3gDqVQpvr9la

    I still can't get links to highlight. Very annoying.



  • #11968
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,421 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    From that Indo article

    "Among the surprising things I learned about Burke was that he once mounted a short-lived rebellion against his parents after coming under the influence of “ungodly” persons."

    That might explain why he's the one so utterly under Mammy's control now, then. None so pure and all that.



  • #11969
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331784#Comment_122331784

    I swear when I read this part, I got cold shivers.

    Burke’s close call with the pub was a turning point for him, he reveals. “It took several factors to cause me to see the error of my judgment and to return to the historic understanding of God, salvation and sanctification; most important, however, was the discipline of a godly mother and father.”

    Burke credits his parents with changing the course of his life. “Without them, I doubt that I would have changed course. They firmly pointed out to me the error of my ways.” Burke said that although he “came back to Lord” for a long time afterwards, “false ideas from this period of back sliding still lingered in my mind”.

    That level of control is genuinely horrifying to me.



  • #11970
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331482#Comment_122331482

    I'm more arguing for the need to have a criminal charge for Contempt of court similar to the one used to jail Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro in the US for their contempt of court for refusing to comply with a subpoena.

    The Judges I think are getting wary of simply leaving him there in definitely , which is why Justice Sanfey let him out.

    However , if they could simply apply a fixed term to his contempt then that issue is removed.

    The school apply for a permanent injunction (if they haven't got one already) and if he turns up again he gets arrested and sent to jail again for a fixed term.



  • Advertisement
  • #11971
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122331727#Comment_122331727

    Simeon was in great voice but what a shame they can’t enjoy it. They look like wax work models, they have no personality



Advertisement