Soldier beats a woman unconscious, gets a great reference from his CO. Jailed after appeal

And just in case of confusion or if my posts start to become reported , I’ve also been contributing to this thread but I’m not the poster referred to above- Thanks.

He didn't just read out the scumbags military record.

And he was not compelled by law, it is not the law of the land that an officer has to attend court and read out anything.

Yeah - to be honest, reading what he said, he didnt seem to be advocating for him at all - unlike the other case I referenced above, where a 'show of support' was shown for the lad who handed out a brutal beating.

Commandant Togher said he was shocked at hearing what Crotty had done to Ms O’Brien.

He said he was “exceptionally disappointed” in Crotty, and “surprised” by his “very out of character” behaviour.

He said he was most disappointed in Crotty because members of the Defence Forces are “expected to keep people safe”.

When asked by Crotty’s barrister, Donal Cronin, if he had been asked by Crotty to come to court on his behalf, Commandant Togher replied that, as a senior army officer, he was officially required as a matter of protocol to attend civilian courts involving members of the Defence Forces.

He explained that this role required him to monitor any legal proceedings and to report back to superior officers on any legal matters that may have “implications” for the future careers of members of the Defence Forces.

In fairly sharp contrast to that other case.

“I think my presence, I wouldn’t have gone there unless I wanted to show him that I was there to support him but also that it doesn’t mean I’m condoning what happened at all, quite the contrary. Listen, it’s over, it has been dealt with by the courts, we move on.”

Hold your horses:

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https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1536921/judge-who-handed-down-controversial-crotty-sentence-set-to-retire-this-week.html

Some good news today. The judge is set to retire. Unconnected to the case apparently but hopefully it's some comfort to his victims that his actions are less likely to be repeated

What a "parting gift" to the state he gave!!!!!

I have to say - as a woman - I agree with this. This woman, and Ireland as a whole, have every right to be outraged. But the outrage should be focused on our flawed justice system. Nobody should be randomly beaten almost to death on a street - male, female, black, white, gay, etc … and not face the prescribed repercussions.

Yup….years a public servant, and any good he has done will not at all be remembered. He will be remembered as the man who had 5 years at his disposal, and instead of doing the RIGHT thing and jailing an absolute bowsy (who viscously assaulted a defenceless woman), he chose to patronize her, hurt her and allow this bowsy walk free. And shur wasn't he doing Natasha a favor n all…..!!!

He should have been done for attempted murder not assault,

If you have a argument & punch someone that is assault, If you knock someone over & continue to beat them till your pulled off that should be attempted murder ,

Again - you have made the same point over and over and over - can we move on from 'Frumy holding court on the issue'.

My point is why confront them? Let them roar and shout their heads off who cares? Is it really worth being hospitalized for?

Before confronting anyone like that people have to ask themselves 'If I do confront this person it could end in violence or combat, am I prepared for that' It's actually unbelievable to me 99.9% of people don't understand the first rule of all self defense and all martial arts is always the same.

If you can avoid trouble and violence you do. Very easy to get involved in a violent scenario very hard to get out of it.

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the reason capable bystanders don’t get involved is because they know the law will not only NOT protect them if they end up in an extended conflict with the perpetrator, but that there’s a good chance that the law will throw the book at them for causing damage to the original perpetrator, and quite often these capable bystanders have jobs/lives/families to think about.

If the law wasn’t seen to be against “vigilante defenders” then we would get more of them.

Vigilantism can get out of hand, but the alternative (letting criminals off scot-free) is even worse.

small amounts of vigilantism (such as beating the **** out of someone who is beating the **** out of someone else) is probably needed in the real world because we don’t have the money for more prisons.

I am not sure the DPP will appeal the sentence. The DPP cannot really act on the publics' demand here, albeit they are aware of this demand. It's a very fine balance. I am no legal expert, but 5 years available and all the details of the case should have seen him serving 4 years. Only mitigating is the guilty plea (which he was forced into). No previous convictions? So what…this one was bad enough!!!!

I think everyone (Natasha included) would have been "happy" with 4 years. Had it happened after the 5 years was increased to 10 years, 8 years would have sufficed