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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭TagoMago


    Is the whole point of it not to secure the EU's external borders, speed up processing of claims, make it easier to ID applicants so they can't seek asylum in multiple countries, etc?

    Hypothetically, if every other EU country were to opt in except Ireland, would we not be completely flooded with IPAs whose applications were rejected in other EU countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You disappoint again. A moderately intelligent person who is media literate to use that phrase, knows full well there are many ways to write a profiling article. To choose what issues to pick, what phraseology to use, what to edit out and what to emphasise.

    You or I could easily write that same article and deliver quite different results. It amounted to a deliberate attack on publicly elected representatives, edited to slant one way.

    And ironically, this from the 'national broadcaster' which regularly refers to the importance of the 'truth' & 'trust' and which lectures the public often on the issues of online attacks with misinformation and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    This is telling too:

    "In 2021, Minister O'Gorman tweeted links to a newly-published government document on its intention to end the direct provision system. The tweet was sent in eight different languages, with the minister saying they are the main languages spoken by residents in the direct provision system.

    As recently as March 2024, Cllr O'Flynn referenced those tweets and said they amounted to issuing an invite for "everyone to come here," an interpretation government politicians see as disingenuous"

    Government can think what the fck they like - O'Gormless knew what he was doing, it was akin to ringing the dinner bell when surrounded by hungry wolves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I'm not too sure you know what facts are in this case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Again, how does that make the asylum process more restrictive in Ireland?

    All we are doing is creating a legal obligation for this country to take in a set number of asylum seekers. It doesn't address the fact that our own border is totally porous and we are unable to prevent 10's of thousands entering a year. It doesn't address the fact that once people make claims for asylum here, they are almost never deported. The same NGO organisations will still be in place to delay and obstruct the processing of asylum cases. We're still going to need to spend billions on paying for infrastructures and supports to keep the whole scheme running.

    The Danish took the second path you are suggesting of going it alone. They secured their borders and removed pull factors in attracting asylum cases. The reward was just 2,500 asylum cases in 2023.

    If the political will exists, we can definitely emulate the Danish model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 hans_butkicker


    This is lies.

    O'Flynn is just another of those moderates that wants to steal votes from people who really want to protect our culture and people.

    Tweets are b******t, we need to control our borders properly and represent the real Irish people.

    It's just deflection to give us the soft options FFG and their cronies want.

    These guys are so far away from the real right in this country they might as well be wearing che t-shirts and running their own NGOS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    2,500 cases but the rest are just going to other EU countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    You are fixed on one part of it but the important bits is the common approach at the external borders of EU (and repatriation) which we really really want to be part of

    The alternative is ending up as dumping ground for both UK and Shengen states



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    Here's the full text of McEntee's opening speech yesterday. Please take note of the typically vague sentence that I've put in bold in the quote below:

    "They will be required to undergo a screening procedure within 7 days at most. This will consist of identification or verification of identity, health and vulnerability checks, security checks, fingerprints and registration in the Eurodac database. While we can’t opt into this measure, because we are not members of the Schengen area, we will align the provisions of screening in national law and we benefit from the data which is gathered by other EU member states."

    So what exactly does that mean, 'align' screening with our national law? And how will we benefit from the data gathered by other EU countries? I'd appreciate an example. Surely screening for criminals and other unsavoury elements is one of the key worries that citizens have at the moment and we are not going to be an official part of that process, so will we end up just not bothering in typical 'ah sure it's grand' fashion??

    Anyway, it'll be two years before we see any of this. What's going to happen in the meantime?

    I was reading an article elsewhere and a priority of the new pact will be family reunification. So, you can multiply the number of 'relocations' by at least two and possibly a lot more.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/6d16e-opening-speech-by-minister-mcentee-in-dail-eireann-motion-to-opt-in-to-seven-measures-of-the-eu-migration-pact/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 hans_butkicker


    There's plenty we can do now.

    Make people see we need Irish people to protect Irish borders.

    Protect our streets.

    Stop the foney moderates.

    Increase our Irish fertility rates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 hans_butkicker


    Who says we have to stay in the EU?

    Brits are on the right track. Forget what the MSM tell you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    Ok, so I've been doing a bit more reading and the 30,000 relocations per year is the starting point, rising to 120,000 per year in the future.

    Each country will have to have adequate places available to host applicants until their case is decided, so for us ultimately we would need around 2,600 places in reception centres. Now - and here's the really hilarious bit - once those places are filled, additional asylum seekers 'will be directed into the ordinary asylum procedure to prevent overcrowding'

    Maybe it's me but what exactly is changing for Ireland?? I mean we're not opting into the screening process which would be useful, and apart from agreeing to take a certain number (plus their families when they arrive) we'll have the same mess we have now ie. 'the ordinary asylum procedure.' !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    He should spend an hour or two walking around the north inner city in Dublin.
    Grim.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Any update on the tents, have they been moved again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I don't think he'd be too safe in the current climate.

    Did you see what was done to that poor foreign man the other day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 hans_butkicker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Nah sorry now but that’s a load of bollocks

    My whole point is that most people aren’t even aware of what’s involved with the pact or that it even exists in the first place, because it’s been so little discussed

    To suggest that the local elections were some kind of mini surrogate referendum or something is total nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We are about to hand over another massive part of what makes a country sovereign to the EU all based on a lie that we can't control our own borders and immigration policy like any other sovereign country outside Europe.

    They'll call the next elections a "General Election". It will not be a "national election", it will be a regional administrative election with a governor (Taoiseach).

    The sovereignty we are giving away we will never get back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    Arguably the EU migration pact is actually a greater loss of sovereignty than the euro and the Maastrict treaty, which we did have a referendum on. We've never really been sovereign in monetary policy as the irish central bank always had to follow the Bundesbank in reality to prevent run on the pound. But in this area, asylum, we had total sovereignty and now hands are tied into future



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,932 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Little by little national independence is fished up till there's barely anything worth fighting for left.. Still every march we can don the green hats and leprechaun beards gorge ourselves on the "national drink" lep around like eegits and pretend we have a country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And that would be a much better outcome for us that the current disastrous policies or lack of. We need to grow some balls and be like the Danes - if that means more cases going to France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Italy etc - well & good, they'll soon get some balls and we'll see a concerted effort across the EU.

    The only people in Ireland who would not welcome a drastic cut in asylum seeker applications are those making money and careers out of it a) the NGOs and charities carving out a defence b) businesses providing accommodation and services and c) employers looking to exploit cheap labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭corkie


    Edit: - Removed my posting of a tweet that somepeople might be offended by.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2024/0619/1455612-migration-pact/

    In the meantime, the vote on the Pact has been suspended until next week.

    Well done on the two people who issued legal procedings?

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The government will fight tooth and nail against a referendum being held on this pact. It would be an even bigger rejection than the last two they held. Would probably be an 80%+ vote against it being adopted. They'll only let us vote on mickey mouse issues these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,278 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭corkie


    Everyone has a History! Just relaying the source of 'the vote on the Pact has been suspended until next week' where I came accros it. Didn't mean to be promoting anyone!

    Una McGurk has a poor history as well, don't see you reply to the other poster on that?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,278 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I was more curious where you got your news feeds and opinions from and you have cleared that up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    And when the rest of Europe has just as big, or bigger (as may be the case already with the Pact), deterrents, what do we do then?

    Build more and pay for more detention camps?

    What'll it do for cheap labour if people disappearing from these camps, as they already do in Denmark, are working undocumented because trying their luck elsewhere in Europe is no longer an option?

    Plenty of work for NGOs too, looking after people traumatized from the camps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Grifters in the anti-immigration movement!!!

    Grifters in the anti-immigration movement!

    Well I never 😲😲😲



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