Israel/Palestine Thread

No, this didn't start October 7th. It sure as hell escalated, but it didn't start.

When did it start, exactly?

One hostage reported sexual abuse in captivity. While awful, that is not the same as mass rape on Oct 7 of which there appears to be no evidence.

40 babies beheaded was a complete fabrication. Anyway, seems like the support for genocide is still strong on this thread.

Stuff like this from our national broadcasters is appalling.

We see the faces of four hostages.

The Israeli's had 1,200 hostages before the October 7 assault. They have thousands hostage now and a torture prison.

We see none of the faces of these hostages. No family photos. Not exactly unbiased reporting.

There is evidence of rape and sexual assault on October 7, you can click on the first article linked in the post above to see details. Israel made a mistake by not collecting physical evidence in their rush to identify and bury the bodies, but I guess they never thought that rape denial would become such a big thing.

Anyway, I'm glad that some hostages were freed and that noa argamani has been reunited with her terminally ill mother

“One of the most heroic and extraordinary operations I have witnessed over the course of 47 years serving in Israel’s defense establishment.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant

4 Hostages rescued and 200 Palestinians slaughtered.

If this is the most heroic thing the IDF has done in 47 years it is a damning admission of moral failure.

https://wapo.st/3ViDxzQ

Hmmmm.... Hamas thought to dehumanise? The Israeli's are the ones that have been dehumanising, implementing an apartheid state, imprisonment without trial, torture camps, etc.

The claim was mass rape and there is no evidence of mass rape.

There's a good breakdown here of the story

https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1799119035491295443

I guess the pro genociders don't care. Israelis should be allowed murder as many Palestinians as they want in the eyes of pro genociders

105 hostages were released in November through negotiation. Since then we have a number of hostages killed and four released through the idf operation. The mass slaughter of Palestinian civilians is not going to get the hostages back, nor does it seem the intention of the israeli actions.

Ilan Pape believes the very existence of Israel is under threat. Not necessarily from Hamas or Hezbollah but because of the genocide and the apartheid regime run in Israel. We are witnessing a Jewish version of Hitler and the Nazi regime. Their is a pathological hatred of Palestinians whose very land the modern state of Israel is on.

It is truly tragic that a people who were victims of a Holocaust could inflict such hell on another race of people after. I concur with Ilan Pape. I don't see how Israel goes forward from here. Gaza is in ruins. They cannot and will not defeat Hamas. They have no exit plan out of Gaza. In the north Hezbollah is wreaking havoc making parts uninhabitable.

Their economy has to be taking a monumental hit. The U.S is their only ally and even there young people are horrified at Israel's actions against the Palestinian people which could feed into the Presidential election outcome.

I can see that Israel felt compelled to retaliate for the October 7 attacks but their response has been so disproportionate that they have lost any sympathy and are now a pariah state around the world.

I think only a change initiated by domestic politics in Israel will change things. Even though Blinken is off to the Middle East it doesnt seem American support will disappear anytime soon and the ceasefire effort seems to have totally stalled.