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Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    We should have a complete break from Delaney. Why should we exclude ourselves from qualified people from that era? If the FAI think Robbie is the man for the job, appoint him. If they don’t, don’t appoint him.

    The FAI is still rife with Delaneys people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Why would anyone turn down 500k? It’s a ridiculous standard to hold him too. He took money he was entitled too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    fair enough, each to their own opinion, you'd like Keane as manager, I don't for the reasons I explained but no point in going further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I didn’t say I wanted Keane.

    I said I wouldnt exclude him because he took money under a previous contract.

    If he’s the right man, you wouldn’t appoint him over 500k a few years ago? That’s mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,324 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I think in reality him managing in Israel while the bombardment of Gaza has been going on would be the bigger deal, and the thing that would absolutely dominate the press conferences and media coverage if he was hired. Whatever side of that debate anyone is on (not so much the rights/wrongs of the conflict, but whether or not it was ok to stay and represent a nationally significant club, while the nation committed war crimes) that debate would be a heated one that would run throughout the country, which I'm not sure the already unpopular FAI would have the stomach to invite in right now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    the context to which you’re replying was someone saying they wouldn’t want him because of the 500k

    Israel is a separate topic with Robbie.

    on both, I couldn’t care less. If he’s the most likely target we can get who will win football matches, appoint him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,856 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Finished 3-2 to the U21s. Moran scored the first on 11mins with a close range tap in after Emakhu played Armstrong in behind and the keeper saved.

    Armstrong made it 2-0 on 14mins with a fine finish from a Sam Curtis cross. Armstrong had a penalty shout just before half time.

    Emakhu made it 3-0 on the 52min when he rounded the keeper after an inch perfect pass from Lawal.

    Croatia scored on the 62mins and scored a pen on 74mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,155 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    It might be a good way for the FAI to get that 250 k back, offer Robbie the job but minus the 250 k, then take it or leave it Robbie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Excluding managers/coaches who had their contracts paid out when they were no longer wanted is the most bizarre criteria Ive seen. It excludes every single experienced manager.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The last manager was universally popular and got a free ride in the media for years…didn’t contribute anything to results on the pitch.

    Robbie Keane is the best candidate who seems available for the job, and a section of fans always disliked him. Let’s rock - this is about winning not popularity.

    (Saying he should have passed on the money he was owed when Kenny came in and sacked him is absolute NONSENSE btw)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I think this is a naive view when it comes to individuals in a Capitalist system (my views on the Gaza conflict and Irish recognition of the Palestine State are very clearly expressed in CA btw). Ideally sure, Robbie Keane would have quit. All of the Irish people working for Wix in Dublin would have quit. Any Irish workers for any Israeli company or in Israel itself would have quit. We’d have scoured our homes for consumer goods made in Israel / made with Israeli raw materials and thrown them out. We’d have boycotted all such products from there. And everyone in the West who sees the actions of the Israeli state for what they are would have done the same, because otherwise you are just self harming to no end.

    Robbie Keane was entitled to go and work in Israel, as are other Irish citizens. Absolutely, people will take such jobs for professional and personal gain, that is the economic framework within which we work. We cannot assume such rational actions in a capitalist society as overt political actions. You might be right, it is symptomatic of support for X and Y. But you might be wrong. They may feel compelled to do it, they may be less informed about certain things, etc.

    When Robbie Keane took the job Irish diplomatic relationships with Israel were on good standing. There were no issues getting a visa, etc. Once he was there, as a football manager in the middle of a season who made a commitment to a group of players, I understand why he stayed.

    Like it or lump it, the job he did there was impressive. And having the mentals to stand his ground on that is exactly what this Irish team needs right now. A bit of **** bottle and ambition would go a long way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    He's tucked his tail and ran after one season. I'm not sure that's a great example of standing his ground and showing a bit of bottle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Robbie Keane never could win with certain sections of Irish fans - sunrise, sunset



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    He could probably never win alright, but he could have at least gained a bit more respect if he was willing to stick it out and not run at the first opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Robbie Keane is a greedy opportunist and hanger-on, who should be no where near the Irish manager's job. He has ruined his reputation in the last number of years and was a piss poor manager in a piss poor league. For obvious reasons I will not go into my true feelings on him, I will have to bite my tongue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,703 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    piss poor manager in a piss poor league

    he won the league, how is that piss poor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    See the second half of quoted text!

    If in the million to 1 chance he gets the job or is the waterboy, or is in cone management on the training field, I will no longer watch the national team. That is until he is sacked. I'd rather Declan Rice for manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,856 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    According to the Irish times the FAI are working off a five man shortlist which contains Willy Sagnol, Slaven Bilic, Chris Hughton, Anthony Hudson, and John O'Shea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Neither your response nor the 2nd half of your original post explains how he was piss poor in Israel. He won the league by 11 points, I’d say that’s pretty good.

    Not wanting him as manager doesn’t mean he did a bad job in Israel. I don’t know why you’d invent a reason to not want him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,626 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    He won with me before he decided to sit there for two years and claim a salary from his own country's cash strapped football association despite being a multi multi millionaire many times over.

    Can hide behind entitlement of he wants.

    Probably doesn't make him any less the probable candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Take a look at the team's league finishes for the last 10 seasons, they won it 4 times, and finished second or third the other times. Hardly a feat of managerial excellence to win a league when the worse they did was 3rd for the last 10 yrs. Pat Dolan or Stephen Kenny could go over there and win and I would also consider them poor managers, would you? But for all they are lacking, they have a bit of common sense not to work in an apartheid state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I thought Kenny decided Keane wasn't needed? If so he's entitled to be paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,020 ✭✭✭budgemook


    Keane probably has the best mix of credentials yet:

    • Recent success as a manager.
    • Excellent record as a player, in Ireland's top 3 players ever and amongst the very best international strikers ever.
    • Still relevant, most likely a role model to our players when they were growing up.
    • Has worked with FAI and some of the players before.
    • Available and achievable.

    Sign him up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,626 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    But again where does "piss poor" come from? That entire post argues he performed on par at worst



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    It's quite clear you resent Keane for continuing to work in Israel which is fair enough, but the remainder of your argument in footballing terms makes very little sense.

    Keane done a cracking job in Israel whatever way it's looked at. He made a selfish decision to remain as manager there, one that I'm sure most managers would make as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭glenjamin


    Fabio Cannavaro has left his role as head coach of Udinese after keeping them in Serie A last season. Hopefully new appointment will take a shine to Ebosele as Cannavaro predominantly played him off the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭bren2001


    You’re argument is bad and you should feel bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Robbie left with a year left on his contract, do contracts only work one way?



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