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Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Homeless charities been rotten for years. Everyone knows this. It's an industry now.

    It suits government policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Charities regulator not coming off well this evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    How the hell did The Capuchin centre have millions of euro to give to Pmv trust.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,677 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    They receive a large number of donations. Pope Francis visited the centre in 2018 during his Papal visit, I'd imagine they received a huge amount of donations from across the world as a result. Any voluntary organisation the Pope visits gets flooded with donations thereafter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭standardg60


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    The charity regulator it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Is anyone or anything in this country honest anymore, or where they ever!??


    What a basket case of a country we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    That was a pretty damning investigation into the charities industry. 11500 charities and just 59% of them actually bother to be compliant with even the basic rules the regulator sets out. Only 14 struck off last year.

    And that doesn't include the go fund me chancers who never even bother to register as a charity. One lad I know of recently raised over 80k on a go fund me campaign. Got national coverage and everything. But no oversight on how the money was spent and he recently just closed the campaign and moved onto his next scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    So, 11,500 charities in Ireland - I imagine many get their donations via bookface and social media because I certainly don’t know the name of 11,500 Irish charities- the regulator itself admits it has piss poor processes for veting new requests for charity status in the past and considering 37% of charities haven’t submitted financial reports to the charities regulator as they’re required to do but only a handful have been prosecuted for this-, it’s simple to deduct that 1000s of charities out there who have the guise of being legitimate are simply there to swindle the public and line the pockets of the charity founder -


    It’s like a random begging letter is probably more likely to be a legitimate request for money, than an Irish registered charity (yes slight exaggeration, but not by much)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭standardg60




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,030 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    He's 80 years old so presumably in receipt of a Contributory Pension and perhaps some assistance from his order, Jesuits Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭standardg60


    But of course, he lives off the biggest charity (business) of them all, the church.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭pjmn


    Charities and Regulator came out very poorly there. Amazing how all these charities start out with great intentions, but then become so corrupt as time goes by….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Actually I had a family members in the Orders. The Order has complete financial control over them. They get a small allowance of something like 10 euro a week. Anything bigger like a health care visit or piece of clothing, groceries, food, heating, that is an expense for the order and is paid for by the purser. On the other hand an inheritances, outside salaries (teachers nurses etc), are property of the Order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,158 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is Heather Humphreys the main government top brass over "charities"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Being ineffective and practicing what it calls self governance.

    I for one will continue to follow my own personal policy, which is charity = my income and other taxes, as I gladly point out to those chuggers about town, that are longing for my bank account details!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    A cousin of my grandfather was an only child and had been estranged from all of the extended family for a long time. He passed away with no immediate family but efforts to reach extended family were successful. Anyway there was another first cousin who was a nun and the glee of this woman when she thought she was bringing an inheritance into the order was incredible. He had come from a much better off side of the family but had never really worked and lived a fairly frugal life on whatever he'd inherited. It must have been some shock to the nun to find out there was **** all left in the end. The rest of the family were relieved to find out he'd reached a good age in relative contentment but she was a piece of work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,813 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ’why’ is an even better question.

    People who donate to that organisation are doing so expecting that all the money they donated is staying in church st to be used there by them..

    If I donate hypothetically 1000 euros to say, the Irish wheelchair association, I’m not going to be enamoured to learn say if 10% of their donations annually are gifted or repositioned to other charities…..if they can afford to gift away their own money, they ain’t going to be in recipient of any of mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    There is either a coldness that are in people to become nuns or it is part of the initiation and conditioning. Ever wonder why Tusla and Nuns do the same work? The same people with different uniforms.

    These people run charities, its not just the money, its the power over another human beings life.

    Myself and wife were desperately in need of accomodation. No sign of one coming, no criminal records, one on disabilty one on minimum wage. Simon community were all talk and useless.

    All this money is lost on wages, advertising, corporate entertainment (T&A account) and feck all to show for it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - Threads merged



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,726 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    personally I think all charities start off with the best of intentions, they then become these big organisations without the controls of companies.

    someone takes advantage and it comes ceashing down, but basically it's regulatory failure and the fact that gov can't be bothered providing services.

    I see Simon have closed in donegal and there's no council service to even contact.

    if the public service can't be bothered, get rid of the staff and subcontract whatever services and then you can have metrics and service level agreements.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    what ever you think of the Church, whatever you think of PMVT, whatever you think of him personally, Peter McVerry has certainly earned whatever pension he is getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    An elderly grand aunt of mine is always falling for those kind of Facebook campaigns/scams that they showed on primetime last night (we need X amount by Friday, or the donkey will have to go to the knackersyard) Just this week , she sent 1800€ to Africa to pay for the "school fees of a big family" 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    Del



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I think having the volume of charities that exist in Ireland at present masks the lack of work the government or doing- and yes, many of the people in these charities don’t have the requisite skills or knowledge to run them compliantly and effectively .

    We’ve heard too many stories now about embezzlement bad accounting failure to keep records etc to know that there’s something rotten going on out there.

    Personal appeals on go fund me from people you know or relatives of people you know, seem to be where people are directing their donations these days- I’m the last week I got 3 requests- a family members friend who she’s known since childhood, and two women’s marathons fund raisers for two people with cancer - I gave to all 3. This is money charities used to get so I’d say takings are down all round as the public aren’t as gullible as they once were and some of the big charity names are not what they once were from a credibility and trust perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭CorkFenian


    I have a strong feeling that many more big charities will follow with Prime Time expose programmes. Just a matter of time, the entire big charity syndrome (which I'm sure started off with the best intentions) is broken. Its not even about CEO pay (which is a talking point) but about how they use volunteers who genuinely have an attachment as they would have went through it first hand and wish to help etc, without them its not possible to run a charity. Honestly the sector at big charity level is rotten to the core. Loads of well meaning charities where people devote time to be auditors\CEO where they don't look for or earn any money, try and donate to these if you can :) 75 homeless charities in Dublin says it all, its become a business now. They are actually making the situation worse not better and should all merge into a government department\be centralised agencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,030 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I agree.

    The meagre finances of an elderly priest are neither here nor there in the context of what we are discussing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Marcos


    The Govt would do well to audit some of funds it is giving to charities and NGOs before more of these situations arise.

    This definitely needs to be done, but the government don't want to be the ones to do this. Where do you think failed politicians go to after they've been turfed out on their ears? A nice cushy number on the board of these NGOs and Charities. And whatever they may try to argue, there is a huge overlap between them. After previous exposés of behaviour in these bodies, there is a huge loss of trust by the public.

    If you'll forgive the hyperbole, if we see the same kind of revelations that we've had with previous charities and RTE, this could be the first death throes of Civil Society* in Ireland. Our society is already beginning to fracture with different pressures placed upon it, and many number of people seeing that the government is actively contributing to those pressures, rather than dealing with them, and we have the corresponding loss of trust in politicians as a result. How long do you think they will continue to listen to lectures from well off members of Civil Society from soft ball interviews in the Irish Times or RTE?

    *AKA your betters, as in they think they are.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about what a charity is in this thread. In reality it's a tax / revenue status that allows you to avoid certain taxes. To get charitable status you need to show that you are engaged in a charitable cause. The vast majority of charities are not volunteer driven, raising money for a good cause type of organisation, most charities are more professional than that.

    I sit on the Board of a charity that has no donors, does not use volunteers, does not provide a 'caring' service to people or animals, and which is run and operated by well paid professionals. Because however it is engaged in one of the ten areas of charity and does not have shareholders or members to whom it has to provide a dividend to (i.e. is a not for profit) it has charitable status. There are lots of companies that operate like that. I would also note that Charity trustees cannot be paid for sitting on the Board of a Charity, although if they are Executive Directors they will be getting a salary.

    In my role on that Board I have had dealings with the Charities Regulator and they are exactly as the Prime Time programme showed them to be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    who pays the “well paid professionals” can I ask? Would it be the government and in turn, the taxpayer?



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