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Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Biggest concern is they’ll go private, instead they should be something buzzword something something buzzword.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭mikep




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,548 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Nonsensical.

    NTOs are by definition private sector: it even says so in their name!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Corruption is rampant in the poverty industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭mikep




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,187 ✭✭✭Damien360


    That is ridiculous. Make a balls of things and sure enough you get a bailout. Just like RTE nothing will change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭Thomasirl123


    Why can't places be left fail?

    The board were a joke, deserve a court date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,837 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I agree, the Directors must be held accountable. If these ones are, it will be one way of policing the growth of charities. They won't be able to get board members unless they are very well run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They should also be disqualified from being directors again at any other company.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,742 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    This story seems to be totally lacking from the mainstream media. Just the odd random article.

    Have Prime Time done a piece on it?

    Rte investigates?

    Doesn't seem to be getting the airtime it deserves.

    Post edited by NIMAN on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭mikep


    The links I have posted are all from The Irish Times. Seems to be the same journalist for each so they must be getting the info from somewhere that other media aren't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,426 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The new secular church is just as bad as the Catholic one.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,440 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Fairly sure we already have a mega thread on this?

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,946 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I remember a clown in one of these threads that went off on anybody daring to suggest that the wonderful Peter McVerry and his trust were anything but the best of the best.

    But facts are facts, and whats happening in McVerry and all of these so-called "charities" has been disgraceful for quite some time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭griffin100


    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0606/1453341-internal-files-reveal-breach-of-trust-at-major-housing-charity/

    A hell of a lot more dodgy practices ongoing here than I think anyone thought at first.

    €350k was transferred to a Company with no commercial relationship to the Trust but to which the outgoing CEO was taking up employment.

    Only €430k of €4.73m received from the Caphucin Ctr was actually used for the purpose it was donated for.

    Radio silence from the man himself on this as one would expect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Why close it down when it seems by the article that rogue CEO was mismanaging funds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭mikep


    That's a fairly damning report.

    It'll be interesting to see the fallout from the Prime Time episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    It absolutely crazy that these ‘charities’ get funded by the taxpayer to house junkies in apartments beside normal people. I’m sorry but if you have addiction issues you should be placed in a shelter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,742 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Doesn't it employ something like 700 people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    A lot of questions to answer - I know good people from financial services backgrounds now retired who wouldn’t darken the door of a charity board - way too much compliance to get caught up in and too much responsibility- and that’s just being a volunteer board member.

    Not going to predict or second guess the outcome of this review but we’ve seen very badly run charities too often in Ireland - the current regulations and oversight don’t appear to be working too well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    Well past financial accounts a few years ago showed over 70% of the money went on staff related costs. I think they justified it by claiming over 300 people were employed. Wouldn't surprise me if that employed figure has risen to over 700 as the money from government etc hugely increased.

    Of course an interesting couple of questions would be what was the nature of that "employment" and what portion of the 70% went to a few at the top.

    Whatever happens now they have to be wound up and their services and funding transferred to a proper homeless charity. That could be challenging as while there is no shortage of charities finding a proper one might be harder. Being CEO of a "charity" is a handy little earner for a lot of people and you're nothing in the Dublin 4 social set if you aren't on the boards of a few charities. So there are a huge amount of charities but very very few I'd trust to take on this shitshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    This is really shocking and I hope it gets the attention it deserves. The Capuchin donation was obviously misused but if I recall this charity was also getting tens of millions from the taxpayer and the amount was increasing significantly year on year. The Govt would do well to audit some of funds it is giving to charities and NGOs before more of these situations arise.

    On another note, I always remember when the budget would give households a modest amount back in tax relief or reductions and Peter McVerry was always wheeled on to lecture us on giving tax cuts when there were so many homeless etc. I'm very glad that those households got their €30 or €40 per month and it wasn't funnelled into organisations like this when you see what happened subsequently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    This is an issue in the US as well. Most charities spend most of their funding on themselves. The government don’t want to get over involved in these problems due to the risk of harm to people employed by the state and liability if something happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,440 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The Console charity debacle was what did it for me- I’ve cut back big time on charity donations- leaving the charity subject of this thread aside as it’s still under review so don’t wish to say anything on that charity per se, it does seem though that there are a bunch of people out there running a charity like they own their own business, imposing their authority and getting paid handsomely whilst having their ego stroked - a lot of power and control and way more than if they were an employee in a company- but with no accountability

    We’ve see big salaries but then we’ve seen additional expense accounts, spouses employed, very shaky relationships with other companies owned by family members etc etc amongst other things - and that’s before Console and ripping donation envelopes open behind a locked door and pocketing the cash.

    I’m sick of it - I’m completely immune to charity muggers, stupid day time advertisements charity appeals on TV or any other type of charity appeals- it appears quite simply that a hell of a lot of our donation money goes on anything other than the target people in need



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,426 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    "One bad apple"....yeah there is more to come out, it takes more than one person to do the actions listed in that report. Have a look at it's history a lot of issues and bad faith actors involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    Fair enough if there is more than one bad apple but why close it down, the people that would impact are the employees that were stealing, the honest employees, and the people who depended on the charity to get by.

    So why close it down, why not just get rid of the rotten apples?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 AnHonestLiar


    The governance issues are glaring. The fact the CEO had the belief that he could operate without consideration for anyone or anything is shocking. The board, the directors have responisbilities in ensuriung good governance is adhered to. To save the charity, they would have to remove the entire board, and then consider replacing the Directors.

    That's very unlikely to happen, so I can see the charity being wound down over the next few years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭randd1


    Does anyone give to these charities anymore? Any charity I donate to is strictly local, with the exception of every once in a while Pieta House.

    Admittedly I don't do it often or do it that much (maybe €5/6/7 a month at most), but it's only local for me.

    I don't know what it is, but I got the feeling for a long time that with the bigger charities, there's more scam than charity involved. Most people I know couldn't be bothered giving anything to the likes of Concern, McVerry, GOAL and others. They're muggers with a smile and a pen than a scowl and a knife.



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