Israel/Palestine Thread

Any chance Pro-Israeli supportes could stop posting absolute guff when it comes to history. When the British backed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine with the Balfour declaration in 1917, the Jewish population of what became mandatory Palestine was 10%. That is not a substantial minority. It increased thereafter because well, the British had promised them a state, encouraged and protected European settlers who moved to the region post WW1, the whole reason for the creation of mandatory Palestine. By 1948, the Jewish population was 33%, but they held only 6-8% of the land and apart from one or two towns, had no majority anywhere in Mandatory Palestine, but under the UN partition plan gained over 60% of the land of mandatory Palestine.

The common thread running through all the decisions made regarding Palestine, whether Zionism itself, the Balfour declaration, Sykes-Picot or the UN partition plan, all were made by outsiders and none took into consideration the wishes of the actual people who mzde up the democratic majority in Mandatory Palestine. If you believe in democracy and the rights of self-determination, the whole underlying problem is easy to see.

Yes Palestine never existed as a state, but the Arabs in Palestine did not want a Palestinian state post WW1, they wanted a pan-Arab state based on Greater Syria(Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan). The Arabs came into WW1 on the promise that they would be granted such a state, but the British gaslit them the whole way and Sykes-Picot split the region into the various mandates, again putting the interests of Britain/France ahead of the native population. The Palestinians started to seek their own state once they realised a pan-Arab state was not an option.

As for the oft trotted out guff of there being an Israeli state 2000 years previously. There is no other people in the World who got to create a state on the territory of another people on the basis that their ancestors lived there 2000 years previously, whilst simply ignoring the wishes of the native population. It is the most asinine of asinine arguments.

Israel created Hamas as a counter balance to the PLO. When elections were held in Gaza Hamas won. But the Israelis and American's didn't like the outcome. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Hamas's actions on 7th October were wrong but inevitable given the open air prison created by Israel.

Ireland never existed as a country until after independence.

Just not true. Obviously Israeli Jewish people do not think that is ok. Obviously, as everyone who has ever been there knows and can see with their own eyes.

When the Palestinians keep starting wars and attacking Jews (from the first day the State of Israel was founded) then there will be war. And the losers will lose land, among other things. Same reason the Golan Heights was part of Syria, Syria stated a war with Israel, lost the war, and lost the Golan Heights to Israel.

So don't start wars. Palestinians fired 4,500 rockets at Israel in one day, murdered and raped over a thousand people! You are wasting your time with these people. Ireland never starts wars with its neighbours (and they're the British!) If Russian eventually loses to Ukraine, I think Ukraine is more than entitled to keep a sliver of Russian land as a buffer against future invasions.

Who started the war? The same warmongers who start every war in the region. Radical Islamists in a virtual death cult. The same fanatics who merrily strapped a bomb to a 26 year old Palestinian girl and sent her in to Israel just to blow up an 81 year old Jewish man at a bus stop (and blow up the Palestinian girl of course). You can't reason with these people. Most Irish people have virtually no understanding of the situation, sure how could they? They have never even been or Israel and the Palestinian territories.

People who think it is just the same as Northern Ireland and the British are incorrect. Obviously.

The point is Bibi doesn't really care about the hostages , pressure on him may increase if hostages are released but continuing the war suits him. He has stated clearly that one of his goals is the destruction of Hamas. How can this be truly achieved when you brutalise people through collective punishment.? You in effect create a breeding ground for the likes of Hamas to recruit embittered and traumatised people . Also as long as the Hamas leadership remain untouched in Qatar to raise funds Hamas will not be defeated . US intelligence has concluded the same thing. One other thing ,there was no Irish state at one point so going by your logic does that mean that British occupation and violence against Irish people was acceptable? As you know there was no official Israeli state at one point either. So what is your view on the likes of Irgun in light of this stance?

In Jerusalem yesterday, a mob attacks a journalist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/vKdPkUmCmV

Third person angle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/zXbKGcBbMd

Israeli security forces did nothing to stop the violence but removed the journalist from covering the mob