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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • #11912
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219881#Comment_122219881

    New York FC will pay that probably. I know this is harsh but I'm lovin this just for sheer amusement. I do genuinely feel for fans of other clubs. The reality is are people really surprised? This is the result of letting countries own clubs. Surprising it hasn't happened sooner.



  • #11913
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,206 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219896#Comment_122219896

    I very much doubt it.

    But I would like a rake of 12.30 on Saturday games and anything else that might be awkward for them.

    Such a joke really that this hasn't been sorted yet. We've been hearing about these charges for an absolute age.

    I would love to see them chucked out of the league and stripped of their titles etc but I just cannot see that happening - but for the good of the game, something a kin ti that has to.



  • #11914
    Infoseeker1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122219933#Comment_122219933

    Think the easiest solution is to sell the Premier League to City, let them make up the rules, etc and everyone involved is paid exponentially more.



  • #11915
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,926 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Anyone who thought they could be found innocent on the basis of 'well let's wait and see what the courts say' need to give themselves a good fúcking shake.

    City fans included.



  • #11916
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If I'm reading it right then their entire argument boils down to this. They voluntarily signed up to the rules set out by the PL but now that they've broken said rules they've decided the rules are no longer fair and they should be allowed do whatever they want.

    This all coming hot on the heels of a recent meeting between UAE and British government officials. The same British government that is setting up a regulatory body to oversee the PL. This all seems like a complete coincidence and definitely aren't related at all, no siree.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #11917
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220080#Comment_122220080

    Was it not the Saudis who met with the British government?



  • #11918
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Can Forest get there 4pts back then....will take them in the new season. Thanks😁

    And dame the tyranny of the majority....whoever they are.....



  • #11919
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    If City win this case then that's football done and dusted.

    People cancelling their sky subscriptions etc en masses might have some effect in that instance.

    Eventually this ball will end up in the court of football fans because City leveraging their financial clout to get away with everything must be the biggest foregone conclusion in history.



  • #11920
    Flaneur OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    "Tyranny of the majority"? Wtf is that? Funny way of saying the will of the majority.



  • #11921
    ForestFire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Tyranny.....I especially like the last one.... probably how dictators and monarch's work...no?

    • a state under cruel and oppressive government.
    • cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control."the tyranny of her stepmother"
    • (especially in ancient Greece) rule by one who has absolute power without legal right.


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  • #11922
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,041 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    So they are essentially conceding on one (or a number) of the 115 charges but now want courts to say they were unfair to begin with.

    Unbelievable



  • #11923
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,926 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    It's quite clear why City's Khaldoon has been so confident in any interview he's had on this.

    He fully knows that he and his colleagues are willing to financially destroy the Premier League over this, and he does not believe the Premier League will stay the course for that reason.

    Their only tactic all along has been to keep it in the courts as long as possible, because their pockets are bottomless. And they know it.

    Shame on the PL letting them buy a club in the first place.



  • #11924
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,695 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220087#Comment_122220087

    No, it was a meeting in Abu Dhabi with officials in their embassy

    https://cityxtra.co.uk/6348/manchester-citys-premier-league-charges-discussed-by-uk-government-embassy-in-abu-dhabi-and-fcdo-in-london/

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #11925
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭eigrod


    If Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal were thrown out of the PL, either of the other two winning the PL would be demeaned by the absence of the 3rd.

    If City or Newcastle were thrown out, Liverpool, Man Utd or Arsenal winning it wouldn’t be demeaned one bit.



  • #11926
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    https://twitter.com/lfcmumble/status/1798035591621407052?t=xjTAr4dHWgmmO9HpjWLTGA&s=19

    Oh no they'll all coming out of the woodwork now 😂



  • #11927
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,239 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    the neck on them! but if they win, thats the end of it.

    The newspaper reports City are attempting to end the Premier League's Associated Party Transaction (ATP) rules.

    Those rules regard commercial and sponsorship deals with companies owned or associated with the same club's owners.

    As things stand, those rules dictate such transactions have to be independently assessed to be of fair market value.

    The Times reports that City believe the rules are "unlawful" and they want to seek damages for revenue lost by preventions made by those rules.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/13147867/man-city-launch-legal-action-against-premier-league-over-financial-rules-ahead-of-their-own-115-charge-hearing

    on the original 115:

    "The hearing into those charges is set for November but obviously, a lot of those charges are also to do with sponsorship deals, deals that were done with companies that are connected to the owners of Manchester City.

    "So, if Man City win this case, which starts next week, that would blow a big hole in the Premier League's case at the hearing in November about the 115 charges because Man City would have argued successfully next week that some of these rules are unlawful and incompatible with UK competition law."



  • #11928
    doc_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I saw in a tv show once where a young man who had “busy hands” went home and told his parents that a girl might go to the police over his actions. So, what did they do? They launched their legal action first, alleging that the girl was the one who committed the offences. That’s what City are at. An absolute plague of an entity.



  • #11929
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,906 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220285#Comment_122220285

    But the charges are that the lied about the source of the sponsorship funds, not that they were inflated. In fact the charges say the sponsors were only paying a fraction of what city claimed.

    The third party stuff has no bearing on any of it.



  • #11930
    dmigsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    A breakaway league that excludes clubs with nation state owners is the way to go at this stage. Let City and Newcastle crack on and battle it out in their own little league.



  • #11931
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,906 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220489#Comment_122220489

    Genie is out of the bottle in that one, and both would claim they are not state backed. Newcastle especially.

    The only counter is the ffp rules, and this anchoring idea the most powerful tool in that. They could see that thrown out, I think the PFA will oppose it on principle.



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  • #11932
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,884 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    That article says that there is a "division between PL clubs", "civil war". At least one club submitted a witness statement in defence of Man City but 'more than half of the clubs are on the side of the PL'. That implies that there are multiple other PL clubs are siding with Man City here.

    With the exception of the obvious Newcastle, and perhaps Chelsea, given their history under Roman and current links to Saudi. Who else would side with Man City?



  • #11933
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Villa seem pretty determined to remove any financial rules



  • #11934
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220747#Comment_122220747

    Villa? They have serious cash and are willing to spend apparantly.



  • #11935
    RonanG86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭RonanG86


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220747#Comment_122220747

    Man United, Man City and Aston Villa voted against the proposed payroll cap.

    Maybe Man U want to open the door to Ineos sponsorship that's actually Ratcliffe pouring money directly into it? I'm sure it'll come out in time.



  • #11936
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220747#Comment_122220747

    This is what happens when you don't have a properly structured set of rules for clubs to follow.

    City unleashing the lawyers hoping to use the greed of those other clubs to try and muddy the waters. I'd be seriously annoyed to know my club were siding with that lot.

    lawyers-simpsons.gif


  • #11937
    McFly85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,792 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Seems really short sighted from any non state owned club to support this? Sure they may have more money to spend short term but there’ll come a time that they’ll want to kick on, only to find the 2 clubs above them can spend a significant amount more.



  • #11938
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,794 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220803#Comment_122220803

    I really think there are a lot of people in football at all levels who still don’t get it. The vastness of the wealth is incomprehensible, even now.



  • #11939
    the whole year inn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,234 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220228#Comment_122220228

    You think no one would question would they have still won if City wasnt in.



  • #11940
    doc_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭doc_17


    The 115* are a cancer on football.



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  • #11941
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,983 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220747#Comment_122220747

    All the big clubs.



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