Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

was he saying that again today. I'm sick and tired of his disingenuous take on the current problems. Hope his and government parties get decimated on Friday.

Caught out telling lies again…..

Here is where you refereed to the position of Senator McDowell as and i quote "Rambling Nonsense"

Also, explain to everyone how pointing out issues with legislation (which you know he was correct about) is fear mongering? He was one of the few politicians that actually did his job.

I suggest researching what the word xenophobic means.

More just muddying the waters.

You know full well that was not the case (other than a few odd balls) but you need to have the racist/far right/anti everything angle to justify your position.

Naturally it have nothing to do with pointing out the flaws in the system ( if you can even call it a system).

Nothing to do with the country being taken advantage of.

Nothing to do with questioning what the actual long term plan is.

Nothing to do with our politicians dropping the ball and then gas lighting everyone who pointed this out.

Nah we are all just a bunch of knuckle dragging racists 🙄

Mentioned this before on this thread and the Ireland immigration thread.

When I mentioned more checks and higher fines(airline's) for undocumented passengers on arrivals, I was accused of the usual racist labels and "it's not possible " or "Where do they return" etc…

From the article -
"The practice whereby officers check documentation while passengers
disembark from flights has been criticised by migrant rights groups.

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties has previously argued that
people fleeing persecution may have legitimate reasons for arriving
without documents."

Per usual, if these groups had their way, we'd be taking in 100k IPA's per year. They're simply never happy, always demanding to take more IPA's and then when the resources dry-up (Accommodation) they'll criticise the government for not doing enough! Rinse and repeat…

Amazing how an election can resume these checks that discontinued in 2020. They're fooling no-one here…

People have a "problem" with "foreigners" who are arriving here illegally by posing as something else to gain entry

People have a "problem" with money and resources being allocated in such huge amounts that it's affecting the resources available to address our own existing domestic needs.

People have a "problem" with the numbers of "asylum seekers" (whose legitimacy is questionable) being so large that we have tent cities springing up and small towns and communities being changed overnight by large groups being essentially dumped there for the locals to deal with.

People have a "problem" with the impact this will all have on our society and culture in the long term because of the outcomes seen in places like the UK. No thought or measures are evident in the current "strategies" from Government which only increases this concern.

People have a "problem" with being called racists, xenophobic, and other such nonsense for expressing concerns and asking questions (particularly, what is the end goal/where does it end?) - this in a country which gives 2 billion annually in foreign aid and risks the lives of our citizens in peacekeeping operations abroad.

People have a "problem" with vested interests and NGOs making a fortune in taxpayer monies while deliberately ignoring the effects these measures are having.

People have a "problem" with politicians and parties who have not only allowed/caused this situation but actively encouraged it, now making 180 degree turnarounds on the issue only because their seats are under threat in the upcoming elections.

There's the "problems" for you - have you any solutions?

Again have a read of the last few pages. People have a problem with Muslims. People have a problem with too foreigners at their favourite picnic spot. People have a problem with too many curry houses. People have a problem with too many non white people.

If the people who did have an issue with only people here illegally they'd have no issue with calling out to racist behaviour, but the fact they don't or even pretend it doesn't exist really doesn't help their case.

Against my better judgement here, but…

There is nothing racist about expressing concerns or asking questions about the effects that allowing a culture and religion which is so at odds with our own tolerant, Western culture might have on our own country and society.

This is not xenophobia, racism, or paranoia. The evidence of what can happen is evident in our nearest neighbour. Social division, parallel societies and exclusion, cultural problems and clashes, and massive demographic shifts without the systems in place to prepare for, address, and ultimately integrate all groups into a common society that respects the laws, traditions and culture of the native hosts.

You can't just bring in tens of thousands of people from countries and cultures that are hugely different to that where they arrive and think "it'll be grand". That's exactly the short-sighted naïve mindset that not only causes the issues thereafter but encourages them.

I read them and rather than getting hung up on specific examples (which people like yourself are using to cry racism), I can see the intent behind the posts and the concerns being raised through them - namely, what effect is all this having on our society and culture now, and what will those effects be in the coming years and decades? What effect will a culture that is very much adherent to a religion that is at odds with Western norms have in a country that has largely stepped away from a previously culturally destructive religion itself in only the last few decades?

These are perfectly legitimate questions to ask, especially when the effects witnessed elsewhere are negative in many cases where control was lost/given up by the state and separate parallel communities that don't integrate with or respect the hosts took root. Again this isn't speculation or xenophobia - it's evidenced by the situation now in parts of the UK.

As I keep saying, Ireland isn't special or unique in that regard and there's no evidence to suggest we won't go down that same path if we make the same mistakes - mistakes which are already being made and effects that will be felt all the more because of our smaller population and smaller communities outside of the main cities. You can already see the shifts occurring in these places now.

What people ultimately want is a system that respects our native identity, culture and needs but still enables migration of those with skills we need and who will integrate positively into our society, enriching it but not replacing it. Simultaneously we need a system that supports legitimate refugees/asylum seekers in numbers that are sustainable and which contains controls to identify and refuse or expel those trying to game or circumvent the controls.

Is that really too much to ask?

The obvious question is, how many airlines have been fined the current €3k and how often, wouldn't be surprised if it's very few.

Fair play to you @_Kaiser_ , a well reasoned synopsis (across your last couple of posts) of the reasons for the groundswell of opinion that matches yours. This, and not some far right loons, are arguably one of the largest political cohorts not represented by anyone currently.

I've worked in MNCs for over 20 years and as a result my friends (well, those made from work) are a mix of Irish, as well as swedish, french, indian, US and other. One of my best friends who I met through boards is also asian. I have no problem at all with immigration, far from it, we need immigration to function. However we don't need universally funded immigration where people come here often with no documentation and taxpayer money is unilaterally used to pay for these people and prioritizing these people over Irish residents of all races and creeds who paid the taxes that fund the payments for these immigrants that are abusing the asylum process. I have no problem at all, with people moving here for work, or people moving here that can fund themselves (EG retirees with proof of funds).

The problem with the current society is that anyone opposed even 1% to the current setup is labeled as far right. I'm as abhorrent of far right loons as I am left wing loons.

I thought you guys were ok with 180 degree turnarounds?

Or is that only for candidates with Gript.ie approval?