Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

I’ve enough problems of my own.

Can’t understand why all these 1000s of males problems suddenly become my responsibility.

“Asylum seekers ” has to be the most loosely used term at the moment.

Refresh my memory, what part of McNamara’s platform was it that you were taken in by again?

On this thread we’ve been told that the government don’t want to be seen to pander to the ‘far right’ (Simon Harris not sacking Helen McEntee) but that they’re also following ‘demands’ about Ukrainian people

This is quite a dramatic flip though, and in such a short space of time.

Here he is in June 2020 complaining about conditions in a direct provision center where it is alleged there were water leaks and rodent droppings.

In it he talks about his admiration and respect for Islamic cultures.

He likens IPA's struggles with the struggle for Irish independence.

He does talk about single males in small rural communities… but he complains the government are putting them there to make it harder for them to start families and avoid deportation.

Just a couple of comments on this but he gets called out for an open-borders approach and welcoming IPAs during a migrant crisis.

Some turn around for a guy that now gives personal interviews to Gript.ie, complains about undocumented and unvetted males, and 'grills' McAntee on Ireland's pretend failures under Dublin agreement.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=257829938788122

When opponents have to dig up dirt from years ago and try to use against a current candidate. You know that candidate is making serious waves and their fellow candidates are worried about their seats.

This has being going on for years. The government simply haven't a clue the type of people they are intentionally flooding the country with. The tip of the iceberg.

Reminds me of something ivan Yates said on his podcast recently, can't remember exactly but he was basically saying as a politician he had a particular set of values but if people didn't like them he had a completely different set of values.

Was it pat rabbitte who said "that's what you tend to do during an election?"

I don’t agree that 2020 is a short space of time in this context. We’ve seen how certain events can change the world overnight. Therefore McNamara is free to change his mind. And I’m not sure that his views in 2020 are some kind of gotcha either. Does it not prove that he’s not a racist bigot but just thinks we need to sort out the shitshow that’s happening right now?

Are there not something like 5 or 6 thousand people still living in DP that have been granted permission to stay in ireland but have nowhere to go so are still in DP accommodation?

Pretty sure I heard that figure recently, if all those people had to leave that accomodations tomorrow surely they'd have to go on the housing list?

Certainly isn't. There's plenty of proof on this thread.

It seems like the argument is over how those people would be classified.

So, while it's true that those 6,000 people would need homes, they would no longer be classified as "Asylum Seekers" and so Asylum Seekers are not putting a strain on housing.

That's the tactic. We quibble over definitions to distract from the fact that we don't have enough homes for the people already here all while the government plans to bring in even more people but not to build accommodation for them.

Not a great plan.

Imagine filling up a litre jug of water by 100ml every hour then after 10 hours you stop because the jug will overflow. "Why do you want to stop now!? You've added 100ml to the jug every hour for the last 9 hours with no complaints, why is it an issue now!?"

So you are forced to keep pouring at a faster and faster rate and the jug is overflowing and there's water getting everywhere. Should you stop? Of course not! Just start adding milk to the jug instead! Won't that just make an even bigger mess? Don't be silly! You were hardly complaining about the water 9 hours ago so why are you suddenly bothered about milk now!? It's not milk that's been spilling all over the floor!

Some time later your daughter comes in and slips on the spilled milk and water all over the floor you think she might be injured but why don't you shut up because the neighbours aunt slipped on some ice last winter and you didn't care then so why do you care about people slipping now? Also she slipped in milky-water so I don't see how thats related to the reckless pouring of milk and the reckless pouring of water anyway.

When you resort to making things up it isn't a good look. Ireland haven't taken in more Ukrainians per capita than any other EU nation.

I'm happy to change the term to anti-refugee sentiment. Or maybe anti-persons fleeing war sentiment? I'm comfortable using both terms.

I can't provide evidence of this thread influencing the government tbf. I accept that. So instead, we can agree that posters on this thread who've demended that Ukrainians be targeted with cuts and disincentives to stay in Ireland are no doubt delighted that the Government have done exactly that.

Happy?

Why, at a time when Government efficiency in the area is declining and abuse of the system has increased exponentially, would a person become interested in addressing the issue? I wonder indeed. McDowell is consistent on the issue, I commend him for that, but I won’t condemn McNamara or others for altering their opinion in light of recent developments in the area. McNamara is an intelligent, eloquent speaker which is valuable, whether he has altered his views because the reality of the policy space has changed, or because it is politically convenient, or out of some mixture of the two. And I suspect it’s his capability, rather than some drive to expose hypocrisy, that has you so exercised.

So anecdotal then, thanks.

Anti-persons fleeing war? Could we not agree on anti-persons gaming a system set up for people fleeing war in order to gain residency rights where they don't meet work visa criteria?