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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I thought Michael McDowell would get involved in a new party after the referendum. He may yet. The amount of similarly named parties that has emerged recently is just confusing the electorate. None of them seem to have a credible leader. Independent Ireland (I think that's the right name) is the most credible because it has 3 sitting TDs.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭Kingslayer


    I was wondering about the clearout and then dumping of the tents. They have done this a few times now, I presume it would be the guards that chase people out of the tents, but I have never seen any footage or pictures of it in the media, have there been any?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Oh yeah? Where are most burglaries committed in Dublin?

    Where are most public order incidents committed in Dublin?

    Where are most theft incidents committed in Dublin?

    The answer is not Ballymun.

    Your prejudice shows too easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Please feel free to post any lies from my posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Packrat


    No. As you've been told numerous times, I've no interest in 'discussing' anything with you.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Will0483 threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Honestly guys, it's best to just use the ignore list and not engage rather than getting pulled down the rabbit hole. It's not worth the aggravation or effort. It's also the most effective response - it's hard to derail a thread and provoke posters into reportable action when people don't take the bait.

    I'm all for honest debate, differing views and opinions that make me think - but constant baiting, gas-lighting, and "point me this"/"link me that" nonsense serves nothing and no-one. If you believe that there are points and arguments that aren't being made, then make them but do so in a constructive manner and be willing to accept that people may not agree with or validate your opinion - which is their right too!

    This is a vital topic and a conversation that very much needs to be had, both here and at national levels. It's very important that the same flow of updates, information and feedback continues to be shared, particularly in the run up to the imminent elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Absolutely. It's the only way meaningful pressure will come on government to do something other than moving the deck chairs before the election. Even though pretty much any of us with a somewhat pragmatic head know they'll do nothing meaningful. At least it builds pressure in areas where traditionally this wasn't an issue. Helps to bring the entire country closer together in finally realising maybe this all isn't a great idea. From rural/working class right to the upper middle class.

    The out of sight out of mind approach has us where we are now.

    Since 2016 "Syrian" refugees were dumped all around rural Ireland, the only prerequisite was that these rural areas needed to have plenty of cheap unwanted houses and a few underperforming hotels. Services etc. weren't a priority at all just as long as there was a place to put the refugees that was enough.

    A few well connected people did very well out of the whole arrangement. Not the locals though. When you see developer families from cork who had most of the projects left on their books during the recession taken into Nama suddenly finding some loose change to buy a hotel in Roscommon you know something is up.

    Well connected people have been coining it in for going on 10 years now. Even now I'd say they have to pinch themselves every so often when they look at the books because as the years have gone on the contracts have gotten more and more lucrative to the point that they must be physically unable to look at their accounts without laughing/gasping with joy.

    It's a shame the massive Syrian refugee thread on here was completely nuked there were some excellent posts on it which nailed the situation then and are even more relevant today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Here's a 2021 social report on Ballymun


    https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie › ...PDF
    210528-Ballymun – A Brighter Future (Revisions 18 May 2021)

    Things are a lot better in ballymun as far as I can tell than the 90s but at least in 2021 issues remained.

    Would be interesting to see if anyone can figure out the statistics pages, E.g.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Have to admit. I did get a smirk out of the irony of the picture taken of the tents on Wellington Road yesterday a per the Indo article:

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    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/asylum-seekers-move-tents-to-ballsbridge-after-canal-space-gets-fenced-off/a1771497291.html

    Getting exactly what they/she asked for!

    Although the picture seems to have been taken from a different angle for this morning's report:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/asylum-seekers-set-up-camp-in-ballsbridge-as-areas-along-grand-canal-fenced-off-at-a-cost-of-36000/a911478011.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    You don't need to. You also cannot point out any lies posted by me, because unlike some posters, I don't post lies.

    It's a discussion board people, not everyone will agree with you, like life, not everyone agrees with you. Ironically, I'm actually one of the only posters who would like more restrictions in people living in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Agree wholeheartedly. The ones up in arms about this are the ones who have been telling us in rural small towns that we're racist idiotic yokels who have been lied to by far right media outlets we've never heard of not to mind read or watched.

    Let them reap what they sowed. Dublin will become like Lagos and the ones in the rural hotels along with their reunited "families" will mostly eventually head off there.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    What exactly would be the proposed question of this migration referendum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭facehugger99



    I never watch RTE anymore . I thought they were a disgrace during Covid with the constant fear mongering.

    Happened to be in a hotel last night and while trying to connect the tv to Netflix, the RTE news came on with the refugee story.

    Fcuk me, is this how some people get their news? It was like news for 6 year olds.

    The tone was condescending and patronising. I actually started laughing at one stage. This from an organisation that wouldn’t be able to organise a piss up in a brewery.

    We have a lot of issues in this country but the state broadcaster must be near the top of the list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It's actually frightening when you haven't watched it for a bit and see what passes for news.

    Pure altered reality dystopian stuff.

    What's terrifying is that there's a big block of voters who watch/listen to it daily...

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    don’t listen to RTE it’s in the pocket of the government. Can’t wait for the tents to appear on the nice greenery in Montosia. If I could wish away a semi state I’d use my three wishes on RTE to make sure. Destest that organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have never heard of the word doxxing and you might want to stereotype me but I am not into the woke stuff. Ridiculed with a brain cell reference? No need, childish bullying and cowardly (it was an indirect post too - not by you). Challenge them with with facts and links or ignore....no need to quantify brain cells. If someone resorts to that, they have been outsmarted.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Photobox


    Same here, haven't watched the news or prime time since covid. Its called Pravda RTE in this house. The odd time I see a small segment. Wtf springs to mind. VM are not much better unfortunately. All echo chambers.





  • The dude who went out a recent killing spree in Germany turned out to be an Afghan refugee. I wonder how long it will be before this happens again in Ireland?! If you have have inadequate facilities, a housing crisis, people with poor economic status, people with mental disorders, people from a culture that's difficult to integrate with the west. It's only a matter of time before that aggression is expressed, in attacks against women and children. Then the discussion will be closed, we will told how racist we all are. Meanwhile the open borders will continue while they 'pretend' to do something about it. There's a whole industry built up around this and it's not going away anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,240 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,284 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That is my point. The tweets were sent out in February 2021 - they only started being raised as an issue in April 2023 (i.e. that asylum seekers were only now coming to Ireland based on reading a few tweets from two years earlier seems a bit far fetched).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,374 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Some facts

    In 2022, there were 13,651 applications for international protection, while 2023 saw 13,277 applications.

    In 2000, Ireland received over 10,000

    In 2001, just under 13,000 arrived into Ireland

    2002, just under 12,000 asylum seekers came to Ireland.

    I'm not seeing huge differences in these figures, but I do know there were no mass protests outside DP centers. So what has changed?

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-and-immigration-the-facts-how-many-men-women-and-children-where-are-they-coming-from-and-which-counties-are-housing-them/a1317067915.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭ooter


    Discussion on the radio in the last hour about the Simon community in the Sligo area, one of the women involved said they were always able to find accommodation for homeless people up until recently, she was careful with her words but she basically said people they would normally be able to help are losing out to other groups now.

    The link should be up on the rte radio website later, worth a listen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭pats22b


    You do realise the ones from previous years are still here... its not as if we take in 12000 one year then they all go home at year end and free up all the resources they were using for next year numbers... heard Paul Murphy tying to make the same argument on drive time the other day re I think it was the nu.ber of Ukrainians coming falling from 70 k to 40k like the first 70 k weren't there anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Same here ive worked hard all my life and Im being outbid on houses in Dublin by local councils using them for social housing

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,284 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Has to be said the anti-immigration crowd couldn't give a flying fig about the homeless though. Here's Niall Boylan in 2018 slating Irish homeless people and accusing them of being chancers and fleecing the system:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭tom23


    But as said immigration doesn’t affect any other group when it comes to housing. None. None what so ever. Yeah we know that the gubbermint hasn’t built enough. we know. But what’s there is under savage pressure. No Irish person affected? Pure bulshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭ooter


    Honestly don't know what that has to do with the Simon community tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Lastest weekly report shows that since 2021 accommodation occupancy has ballooned.

    The previous high being around 2005 with around 8,500. It's nearly 32,000 now



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Yet more dodgy anti-immigration politicians...

    It looks to me that rather than being a legitimate political position anti-immigration rhetoric is usually a front for other motives...

    Orban/afd pro-Russian agenda... Trump authoritarian megalomania... McNamara career politician chasing votes... Truss crazy economics... Le Pen Frexit

    So many examples right before our eyes and still the mob laps it up

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/afd-spionageaffaere-russland-und-china-im-fokus-neue-enthuellungen-belasten-die-partei-1714480876-a-a1c05e64-b6bc-4c6b-844e-a78a32ec4f91



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