Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Behind all the bluster, Trump must be getting genuinely scared of ending up in prison. He probably feels like he's got nothing to lose by constantly doubling down and lashing out. He's a cornered rat, and behaving like one.

I would say he's less scared of going to prison now than he would have been a few years ago because it is now obvious that the justice system is afraid of dishing out any real justice to him for fear of provoking the MAGA crazies. For the way that Trump has behaved in terms of riling up a crowd of supporters to storm the US Capitol building or hanging on to classified documents even after being instructed to give them back or attempting to cajole a secretary of state to 'find' him some more votes, anyone in past times would have been under the jail, yet Trump remains free.

The other thing is that even if he went to jail, it would probably be the cushiest jail stay for any American citizen in history. If Al Capone had it good with basically a furnished apartment for a jail cell, Trump would have him beat, with close to a whole wing to himself and his own security detail. I wonder if even his access to Truth Social would be restricted. The only thing that would hurt him would be the lack of rallies and cheating at golf.

Yes, the lawyers he hired went with the hope of having at least one juror dissent. May have looked a good gamble, before the evidence was laid before the jurors. But a really poor strategy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/30/trump-verdict-prosecutor-win

so 34 charges in 12 hours of deliberations or 21 minute for review, discussion/decision time per charge without any pause

usually it takes 1 day per week of trial or 4 days average for a 4 week trial - it is clearly a democrat state where trump wont get any justice

many if not all of the charges are multiple instances under the same facts you act like each cheque he signed needed its own standalone start and stop deliberation.

Perhaps, but even a cushy jail would be a huge change for him. He is used to having huge levels of autonomy, being able to travel wherever he wants, whenever he wants. A luxurious cage will still feel like a cage to someone like him, IMO. And he will hate it with a passion.

I’d say there’s a better chance of the four Beatles getting up on stage than Trump doing a single day in prison…

trumps lawyers had every opportunity to object to her testimony and didn’t. That’s not the judges fault. The judge did not convict Trump a jury he actively took part in selecting did.

If it is so clear and obvious you might explain it in simple terms that someone like me can understand. I can't see anything wrong with how the trial was conducted.

If anything the judge overindulged Trump's repeated contempt and breach of court orders. Anyone else in any other court would have already seen the inside of a jail for their conduct during the hearing.

It's a real shame that there isn't a Betfair market on this. I'd be all over that.

Easily dispelled talking point from the "kangaroo court" barker here:

"As a point of comparison, 16 per- cent of all lawyers reporting became trial (sworn) jurors ver- sus 18 percent of all citizens reporting. This dispels the myth that lawyers would never be selected to serve as jurors."
https://www.ncsc-jurystudies.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/5846/jurynewscm14-1.pdf

https://www.abajournal.com/voice/article/lawyer-learns-the-value-of-sitting-on-a-jury

Pretty good article here that echoes the same points I have already made on why the case was bullshit and a witch hunt.

District Attorney Alvin Bragg ran for office in an overwhelmingly Democratic county by touting his Trump-hunting prowess. He bizarrely (and falsely) boasted on the campaign trail, “It is a fact that I have sued Trump over 100 times.” 

The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge.

Standing alone, falsification charges would have been mere misdemeanors under New York law, which posed two problems for the DA. First, nobody cares about a misdemeanor, and it would be laughable to bring the first-ever charge against a former president for a trifling offense that falls within the same technical criminal classification as shoplifting a Snapple and a bag of Cheetos from a bodega. Second, the statute of limitations on a misdemeanor — two years — likely has long expired on Trump’s conduct, which dates to 2016 and 2017.

So, to inflate the charges up to the lowest-level felony (Class E, on a scale of Class A through E) — and to electroshock them back to life within the longer felony statute of limitations — the DA alleged that the falsification of business records was committed “with intent to commit another crime.” Here, according to prosecutors, the “another crime” is a New York State election-law violation, which in turn incorporates three separate “unlawful means”: federal campaign crimes, tax crimes, and falsification of still more documents. Inexcusably, the DA refused to specify what those unlawful means actually were — and the judge declined to force them to pony up — until right before closing arguments. So much for the constitutional obligation to provide notice to the defendant of the accusations against him in advance of trial. (This, folks, is what indictments are for.)

In these key respects, the charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else.

The judge donated money — a tiny amount, $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind — to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation, including funds that the judge earmarked for “resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy.”

Since you are so intersted in 'words', the defintion of monoluge is a speech delivered by one person. It does not 'describe' the point's made in the speech. Hope you found that interesting.

Wow, judging by the 5 replies to my last post looks like the orange bellied sirenia has really wound some people up today. I guess it's becasue they know that the guilty verdict won't be enough to make him unelectable and will if anything work in his favor. Yep, I can see why that would makes some peoples blood boil.

this judge clearly shouldnt be trying the case then its unbelievable